Conservation of Momentum - Inelastic Collisions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of conservation of momentum in the context of inelastic collisions. Participants are exploring the relationship between mass and velocity in these types of collisions, particularly focusing on the conditions under which the final velocity is determined.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the interpretation of velocity being the same before and after an inelastic collision, with some noting that the final velocity differs from the initial velocities of the objects involved. There is also a discussion about the implications of mass ratios on velocity and the conditions under which certain equations apply.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the definitions and assumptions related to inelastic collisions. Some have pointed out potential inaccuracies in external resources, indicating a critical examination of the material being referenced.

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There is mention of a specific case regarding perfectly inelastic collisions and the need for clarity on terms like "new" and "old" in relation to mass and velocity. Additionally, discrepancies in external video content are noted, which may affect understanding.

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Hello, I recently posted a few conceptual questions regarding conservation of momentum. I'm processing the information more easily now, but I've hit yet another bump in the road. I've learned that in an inelastic collision in which "velocity is the same before and after the collision" the velocity can be determined by dividing the initial velocity by the ratio of mnew:mold. In other words, mass and velocity are inversely proportional:

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/momentum/Lesson-2/Using-Equations-as-a-Guide-to-Thinking

(This is the animation): http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/momentum/fca.cfm

But then, how is velocity the same before and after if it's obviously changing? And when would this situation of being able to find the new velocity by a simple ratio not work?

Thanks, and I know this is going to be a very simple answer pointing out something I missed, but I'm just stumped :D.
 
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Two objects undergoing an inelastic collision end up with the same final velocity. That velocity is different from their initial velocities.
 
Chris Barkachi said:
I've learned that in an inelastic collision in which "velocity is the same before and after the collision"
That is not true, independent of the question which velocities you mean.
Chris Barkachi said:
the velocity can be determined by dividing the initial velocity by the ratio of mnew:mold
What are new and old? What exactly do you mean with "dividing [...] velocity by the ratio"? I think I know what you mean, this is a special case - a perfectly inelastic collision where the relative velocity between the collision partners after the collision is zero.
 
There appears to be a mistake in the video. In the last frame it says the combined speed is 5km/hr, but if you note what it says in the preceding frame you can see that the last frame should say 4km/hr.
 

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