Conservation of relativistic energy

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The discussion revolves around a particle of rest mass m_0 disintegrating into two particles of rest masses m_1 and m_2, focusing on the application of conservation of relativistic energy and relativistic 3-momentum to find the energies E1 and E2 in the rest frame of the original particle.

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  • Participants discuss the relevant equations for energy and momentum conservation, questioning the validity of using mechanical energy in this context. There are attempts to relate the momenta of the particles and explore how to express the energies in terms of the given masses.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing equations and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy and momentum equations, and there is a focus on deriving expressions for the energies of the particles.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to express energies in terms of the constants c, m0, m1, and m2, while also addressing the implications of the system's momentum being zero.

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A particle of rest mass m_0 disintegrates into two particles of rest masses m_1 and m_2.
Use conservation of relativistic energy and relativistic 3-momentum to find the energies E1 and E2 of the particles in the rest fram of the original particle.

Relevant equations:
E0 = E1 + E2
p0 = p1+ p2

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stepheng123 said:
A particle of rest mass m_0 disintegrates into two particles of rest masses m_1 and m_2.
Use conservation of relativistic energy and relativistic 3-momentum to find the energies E1 and E2 of the particles in the rest fram of the original particle.

Relevant equations:
E0 = E1 + E2
p0 = p1+ p2

?
put values in p0 = p1+ p2

you will have m1v1 = m2v2
 
cupid.callin said:
you will have m1v1 = m2v2

Would it not be m1v1 = -m2v2 as p0 = 0 ?
And how would this lead to me obtaining the energies of the particles?
 
no ... v1 will be opposit to v2

so m_o(0) = m1v1-m2v2 => m1v1 = m2v2

but i don't think that Eo = E1 + E2 will be valid ... if by E you mean mechanical energy
 
Stick with E's and p's instead of using velocities. So far you have

\begin{align*}<br /> E_0 &amp;= E_1 + E_2 \\<br /> 0 &amp;= p_1 + p_2<br /> \end{align*}

What equations do you have relating energy, momentum, and mass?
 
vela said:
What equations do you have relating energy, momentum, and mass?

I have E^{2} = p^{2}c^{2} + m^{2}c^{4}

I need E1 and E2 in terms of c, m0, m1 and m2..
 
Good. Since p0=0, you know E0=m0c2, and you can multiply the second equation by c, which leaves you with

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> m_0c^2 &amp;= E_1 + E_2 \\<br /> 0 &amp;= p_1c + p_2c<br /> \end{align*}<br />

You're going to want to square the equations, subtract the second from the first, and use the relation you have to replace combinations of E2 and (pc)2 with (mc2)2. The trick is to first arrange the equations so that the cross term you get from squaring conveniently let's you solve for one of the energies.
 

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