Conservationof energy and angular speed

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The problem involves a bug jumping off a uniform bar that pivots about a nail on a smooth table. It explores the concepts of conservation of energy and angular momentum to determine the angular speed of the bar after the bug leaps off.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy and angular momentum principles. There is a focus on the correct formulation of kinetic energy equations and the implications of the values provided in the problem.

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Some participants have identified potential errors in the equations used, particularly regarding the rotational kinetic energy term. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problem, with some suggesting the use of conservation of angular momentum instead of energy.

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Participants note discrepancies between their calculations and the book's answer, raising questions about the validity of the book's solution and the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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A small 13.0-g bug stands at one end of a thin uniform bar that is initially at rest on a smooth horizontal table. The other end of the bar pivots about a nail driven into the table and can rotate freely, without friction. The bar has mass 70.0 g and is 90 cm in length. The bug jumps off in the horizontal direction, perpendicular to the bar, with a speed of 25.0 cm/s relative to the table.

Homework Statement


What is the angular speed of the bar just after the frisky insect leaps?
mass of bug = .013kg
mass of bar = .070kg
length of bar = 0.9m
final velocity of bug = 0.25 m/s
initial velocity of bug = 0
initial velocity of bar = 0

Homework Equations


I = (1/3)ML^2
K(bug) = (1/2)mV^2
K(bar) = (1/2)Iw
Sum of the energy before = sum of the energy after

The Attempt at a Solution


0 = K(bug) + K(bar)
0 = (1/2)mV^2 + (1/2)Iw
0 = (1/2)mV^2 + (1/2)(1/3)ML^2w
w = -[mV^2]/[(1/3)ML^2]

but that doesn't come out with the correct answer

where w is the lowercase omega standing for angular velocity
 
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Just quickly looking at this, I notice you left the square off the omega in your equation for rotational kinetic energy. It should be K(bar) = 0.5Iw^2.
 
Ya, i noticed that a little bit ago, and when I put in the square... This is from a problem in the book with different values, but using the values in the book, my answer still does not agree with the answer in the book. If i did everything right, maybe the answer in the book is wrong...it could happen lol.
 
Well, the final answer turned out to be 0.155 rad/s, but I'm not sure why
 
CornMuffin said:
Well, the final answer turned out to be 0.155 rad/s, but I'm not sure why

So this is the book's answer?
 
hage567 said:
So this is the book's answer?

yes, using these values, that is the answer
 
Was the book using conservation of energy in the example? I would use conservation of angular momentum about the pivot point for this problem.
 

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