Constructible root from cubic polynomial

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The discussion centers on whether the cubic polynomial equation x^3 - 3x + 3sqrt(3) has a constructible root. Participants explore methods for determining the existence of rational roots and the implications of constructibility in the context of cubic polynomials.

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  • One participant proposes that if a is a constructible root, then squaring both sides leads to a cubic polynomial with rational coefficients, y^3 - 6y^2 + 9y - 27 = 0.
  • Another participant suggests that if there is a rational root m/n, then m must divide the constant term (-27) and n must divide the leading coefficient (1), leading to a specific set of possible rational roots.
  • A third participant applies the Rational Roots Theorem to the cubic polynomial and suggests reducing the number of candidates for rational roots through substitution, ultimately concluding that none of the rational roots satisfy the equation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of a constructible root. There are multiple approaches and interpretations regarding the rational roots of the cubic polynomial, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants express various assumptions about the nature of the roots and the implications of constructibility, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or verified within the discussion.

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Does x^3 - 3x + 3sqrt(3) = have a constructible root?

my solution:
suppose a is a constructible root of the equation above.
we square both sides to get x^6 - 6x^4 + 9x^2 = 27.
since a is constructible, a^2 is constructible as well and we can turn this equation into cubic poly with rational coefficients, and it becomes y^3 - 6y^2 + 9y - 27 = 0.

If this cubic poly has a constructible root, it must have a rational root in form of m/n.
(m/n)^3 - 6(m/n)^2 + 9(m/n) = 27.

How do I proceed from here? Detailed steps would be appreciated..
 
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The form will wind up as m^3-6m^2n+9mn^2-27 n^3 =0. This is supposed to be a solution. (We assume that m and n are relatively prime, that is, contain no common factors.) So look at m, there is only 1 term in which it is not present.

So take it from there!
 
If it has a rational root, m/n, then m must divide the constant term and n must divide the leading coefficient. Here the constant term is -27 so m must be 1, -1, 3, -3, 9, -9, 27, or -27. The leading coefficient is 1 so the n must be either 1 or -1 which means the only possible rational roots are 1, -1, 3, -3, 9, -9, 27, or -27. Do any of those satisfy the equation?
 
You can apply the Rational Roots Theorem to

y^3 - 6y^2 + 9y - 27 = 0.

as HallsofIvy explained, but it is possible to reduce the number of root candidates by substitution.

Define

P(y) = y^3 - 6y^2 + 9y - 27

P(1) = -23, so y = 1 is not a root. Then, instead of trying out the other candidates, you can look at the polynomial:

Q(t) = P(1+t)

The coefficient of t^3 in Q(t) is 1 and the constant term in Q(t) is
Q(0) = P(1) = -23

This means that any rational root of Q(t) must be a divisor of 23, so the possible roots are:

t = 1, -1, 23, -23

The possible rational roots of P(y) are then the values of 1+t which are:

y = 2, 0, 24, -21

But any rational root must also be in the list give by HallsofIvy. Since none of the values for y listed above are on that list, there are no rational roots.
 

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