Constructing left invariant vector fields on SO(3)

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The discussion revolves around constructing left invariant vector fields on the Lie algebra so(3) using Euler angles and the push-forward method. Participants explore various approaches and methods related to this topic, including the use of isomorphisms and stereographic projections.

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  • One participant requests assistance in constructing left invariant vector fields on so(3) using Euler angles and mentions difficulties with the push-forward method.
  • Another participant suggests a sequence of isomorphisms involving the mappings from S^3 to SO(3) and provides specific formulas for these mappings, noting that the coordinate form of the adjoint representation is complex in Cartesian coordinates.
  • A later reply questions the effectiveness of the suggested method and proposes an alternative approach involving the exponential function and differentiation of curves on SO(3) through its generators.
  • There is mention of using stereographic projections from the north and south poles onto the equatorial plane as part of the atlas for the discussion.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of applying methods used for other groups like SL(2) and SU(2) to so(3), noting similarities in their Dynkin diagrams.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various methods for constructing left invariant vector fields, with no consensus reached on a single approach. Some methods are proposed, but challenges and limitations are acknowledged.

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Participants highlight limitations in the clarity of methods and the complexity of certain mathematical representations, particularly in Cartesian coordinates. There is also mention of potential difficulties in projecting the matrix of the SO(3) group onto a chart.

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hello every one
can one please construct for me left invariant vector field of so(3) rotational algebra using Euler angles ( coordinates ) by using the push-forward of left invariant vector field ? iv'e been searching for a method for over a month , but i did not find any well defined method for my case . i uploaded a pdf the give a direct formula for left invariant vector field , I've been trying to use push-forward method for one parameter subgroup , but i failed
 

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Mikeey aleex said:
hello every one
can one please construct for me left invariant vector field of so(3) rotational algebra using Euler angles ( coordinates ) by using the push-forward of left invariant vector field ? iv'e been searching for a method for over a month , but i did not find any well defined method for my case . i uploaded a pdf the give a direct formula for left invariant vector field , I've been trying to use push-forward method for one parameter subgroup , but i failed
You could proceed along the lines
$$
\mathbb{S}^3 \stackrel{\cong_\varphi}{\longrightarrow} \mathbb{U(1,\mathbb{H}}) \stackrel{\cong_\psi}{\longrightarrow} SU(2,\mathbb{C}) \stackrel{Ad}{\longrightarrow} SO(\mathfrak{su(2,\mathbb{C}})) \stackrel{=}{\longrightarrow} SO(3,\mathbb{R})
$$
The first two isomorphisms with
$$
\varphi(x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4)=x_1\mathbf{1}+x_2\mathbf{i}+x_3\mathbf{j}+x_4\mathbf{k}
$$
and
$$
\psi(x_1\mathbf{1}+x_2\mathbf{i}+x_3\mathbf{j}+x_4\mathbf{k}) = \begin{bmatrix}x_1\mathbf{1}+x_2\mathbf{i} & -x_3\mathbf{1}-x_4\mathbf{i} \\x_3\mathbf{1}-x_4\mathbf{i} & x_1\mathbf{1}-x_2\mathbf{i} \end{bmatrix}
$$
are quite easy but the coordinate form of ##Ad## isn't so pleasant, at least in Cartesian coordinates. Maybe it's a better in Euler Coordinates.
 
fresh_42 said:
You could proceed along the lines
$$
\mathbb{S}^3 \stackrel{\cong_\varphi}{\longrightarrow} \mathbb{U(1,\mathbb{H}}) \stackrel{\cong_\psi}{\longrightarrow} SU(2,\mathbb{C}) \stackrel{Ad}{\longrightarrow} SO(\mathfrak{su(2,\mathbb{C}})) \stackrel{=}{\longrightarrow} SO(3,\mathbb{R})
$$
The first two isomorphisms with
$$
\varphi(x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4)=x_1\mathbf{1}+x_2\mathbf{i}+x_3\mathbf{j}+x_4\mathbf{k}
$$
and
$$
\psi(x_1\mathbf{1}+x_2\mathbf{i}+x_3\mathbf{j}+x_4\mathbf{k}) = \begin{bmatrix}x_1\mathbf{1}+x_2\mathbf{i} & -x_3\mathbf{1}-x_4\mathbf{i} \\x_3\mathbf{1}-x_4\mathbf{i} & x_1\mathbf{1}-x_2\mathbf{i} \end{bmatrix}
$$
are quite easy but the coordinate form of ##Ad## isn't so pleasant, at least in Cartesian coordinates. Maybe it's a better in Euler Coordinates.
i know this method but it's not working very well , there is a clear method by Dr. frederic P. sculler, using push-forward of left invariant vector field in a chart , but the issue is that i can not project the matrix of ( SO(3) group ) in a proper way on a chart . can i do this method for a one parameter subgroup like SO(3) ?
see the videos.


 
For an atlas you should use the two stereographic projections from the north, resp. the south poles onto the equatorial plane.
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I don't really like to watch the four hours of lectures now you linked to. Why don't you go the other way around: take a basis of ##\mathfrak{so}(3)## and build the exponential function with them? Or take some curves (1-parameter subgroups) on ##SO(3)## through its generators and differentiate. So, yes, this method (whatever it is) should apply here, too.

Do you want to prove something or just want to know which the basis vectors, resp. generators are? They can easily be written out.
Or simply note that ##X^\tau X = 1## becomes ##X^\tau + X = 0## and ##\det X = 1## becomes ##\operatorname{trace} X = 0##.
What is done for ##SL(2)## can also be done for ##SU(2)## and ##SO(3)## in a similar way. Their Dynkin diagrams are all the same, namely ##\circ##.
 

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