Lie groups left invariant vector fields

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The discussion revolves around finding left invariant vector fields or generators for the special orthogonal groups SO(2) and SO(3), utilizing methods proposed by Dr. Frederic P. Schuller. Participants explore the challenges of parameterization and the implications for calculating Lie algebras at the identity element of these groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find left invariant vector fields for SO(2) using Dr. Schuller's method, referencing his success with SL(2,C).
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in finding a single parameterization for SO(3) that maintains independence among parameters, particularly criticizing the Euler angles parameterization for introducing dependencies.
  • A later reply questions the initial focus on SO(2) and highlights the differences with SO(3), noting that the Lie algebra of SO(2) is ℝ while that of SO(3) is so(3), emphasizing the complications arising from SO(3) not being simply connected.
  • One participant mentions using an approximation method to find the Lie algebras of multiple groups, including SO(2), SU(2), SO(3), and SO(3,1), and describes a process involving infinitesimal changes to derive the Lie algebra at the identity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate group to analyze and the challenges associated with parameterization. There is no consensus on a single method or approach to finding the left invariant vector fields for the groups discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in parameterization methods and the implications of group properties, such as simply connectedness, which affect the calculations and approaches discussed.

Mikeey aleex
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hello every one .
can someone please find the left invariant vector fields or the generator of SO(2) using Dr. Frederic P. Schuller method ( push-forward,composition of maps and other stuff)
Dr Frederic found the left invariant vector fields of SL(2,C) and then translated them to the identity using certain chart which covers the identity .
the lecture .
 
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The details are all in that video , the problem is that i can't find a single parameterization such that there exists some slots in the matrix ( e.g. SO(3) ) such that the parameters lying in each slot are independent of each other , the euler angles parameterization of SO(3) gives rise that each slot has a parameter as a function or has more the one parameter ( there is no independency between parameters in that matrix so i can't find a single coordinate chart in R^3 that covers the identity so i would do my calculations at the identity ), that why i can't use the dr. Frederic P. Schuller's method of finding the lie algebra of SO(3) at the identity using the push-foward of left invariant vector field
 
Mikeey aleex said:
The details are all in that video , the problem is that i can't find a single parameterization such that there exists some slots in the matrix ( e.g. SO(3) ) such that the parameters lying in each slot are independent of each other , the euler angles parameterization of SO(3) gives rise that each slot has a parameter as a function or has more the one parameter ( there is no independency between parameters in that matrix so i can't find a single coordinate chart in R^3 that covers the identity so i would do my calculations at the identity ), that why i can't use the dr. Frederic P. Schuller's method of finding the lie algebra of SO(3) at the identity using the push-foward of left invariant vector field
In your first post you mentioned SO(2), now you switch to SO(3), a very different case, and you want to use an example from SL(2,C) that is complex and not even compact so even harder to compare to the previous cases, could you decide which group you want to work with?
In the meantime from the information in your last post I can tell you that the Lie algebra of SO(2) is ℝ, while that of SO(3) is so(3), not ##ℝ^3##, SO(3) is not simply connected, so there you have a first problem for finding the parametrization you want in ##ℝ^3##. You can find more details about what seems to be your concern here.
 
my friend Rocky Marciano , I'm working on this method for SO(2) , SU(2) ,SO(3) AND SO(3,1) . i found all the lie algebras of each manifold by approximation method , states that there exists a small parameter (e)[(infinitesimal change)] in R^1 close to the Identity of the gruop (e.g. ) G Such that an element of G close to the identity is defined as g = I(identity of the group ) + eH
such that H represents the tangent vector space of G at the identity (i.e. lie algebra of G) , ( using (e.g. euler angles for SO(3) ) ) we can differentiate the parameterized element of the group (SO(3)) [ with is closed to the identity ( infinitesimal change ) ] with respect to the parameter (e) then evaluating at (0) so we can find H ( Lie algebra of SO(3) )
 

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