Content Zero in R^p: Clarifying Confusion about J in R^2

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The discussion revolves around the concept of content zero in R^p, specifically in R^2, as it relates to a set defined by the equation S = {(x,y): |x| + |y| = 1}. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the definition of content zero and how it applies to the area calculation of the set S, which appears to have a content of 4 based on its bounding box.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of content zero and its implications for the set S. There is discussion about how S can be covered by smaller squares, leading to a total content that can be made arbitrarily small, despite the apparent area of 4 when considering the bounding box.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the relationship between the area of the bounding box and the content of the set. Some participants suggest that the area of 4 is not the minimum area needed to cover the set, indicating a productive exploration of the definitions involved.

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There is a focus on the distinction between the area of the bounding box and the concept of content zero, as well as the specific geometric shape of the set S, which is described as diamond-shaped rather than square. This may influence the interpretation of the content.

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If we let J be in R^p so J=J1x...xJp the cartesian product of p cells in R. Then we define the content of J as c(J)=(b1-a1)...(bp-ap) so in like R it would be length area in R^2 etc. Then define content zero by Z in R^p has content zero if for each epsilon > 0 there exists a finite set J1,...,Jn of cells whose union contains Z and such that c(J1)+...c(Jn) < epsilon. In an example we did we let the space in R^2 S=((x,y): |x|+|y|=1) and we proved that S has content zero by letting n natural number introducing squares with diagonals on the line in S. then S can be in enclosed in 4n squares each with content 1/n^2 so the total content is 4/n which can be made small so S has content zero. Where I'm confused is S is in R^2 so the cells of S are (-1,1) and (-1,1) so c(S)=(-1-1(-1-1)=4 but we showed S has content zero. This is confusing to me can anyone help clarify?
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I have no idea what you are talking about. S is contained in [-1,1]x[-1,1] which has area 4. Sure. It's also contained in many collections of cells having smaller area.
 
in the space in R^2, S is diamond shaped and S={(x.y): |x|+|y|=1}. take n to be a natural number. then if you introduce squares with diagonals along S you can enclose S in 4n squares. The content of each square is 1/n^2. so the total content is 4/n which can be made arbitrarily small. So by definition S has content zero. My question is S is in R^2 and the x values range from -1 to 1 and same with the y values. So the content of S is c(S)=(1-(-1))(1-(-1))=4. I'm confused about this. Because by definition a set has zero content if for every epsilon > 0 there exists a finite set J1, ...,Jn of cells whose union contain the set and s.t. c(J1)+...+c(Jn)<epsilon. The squares in the example contain S and all contents added together can be made smaller than any epsilon by increasing epsilon. So it makes sense that S has content zero but I also see how the content could be 4. Also, it's not a square it's a diamond. I don't know if that makes a difference though. thanks
 
Area 4 is ONE way to cover the set with rectangles. 'Content' is defined as the limit of the MINIMUM area needed to cover the set with a FINITE number of rectangles, isn't it? The area 4 cover is hardly minimum.
 

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