Continuous functional s.t. $f(x_0)\ne 0$

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The discussion centers on the existence of continuous linear functionals in locally convex topological spaces, particularly addressing the condition that for any point \( x_0 \neq 0 \), a continuous linear functional \( f \) can be defined such that \( f(x_0) \neq 0 \). The scope includes theoretical aspects of functional analysis and the application of the Hahn-Banach theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that in any locally convex topological space \( X \), it is possible to define a continuous linear functional \( f: X \to K \) such that \( f(x_0) \neq 0 \) for \( x_0 \neq 0 \).
  • One participant mentions the Hahn-Banach theorem as a basis for this assertion, specifically referencing a version that allows extending continuous linear functionals from subspaces.
  • Another participant suggests defining a suitable operator \( \rho_0 \) on the span of \( \{x_0\} \) to apply the Hahn-Banach theorem.
  • There is a concern raised about the necessity of the space being Hausdorff for the theorem to hold, referencing a specific theorem that requires this condition.
  • One participant provides an argument that if a continuous functional exists for every \( x_0 \neq 0 \), it implies the space is Hausdorff by constructing disjoint open sets for distinct points.
  • Another participant expresses enthusiasm for the topic of functional analysis.

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Participants express differing views on whether the Hausdorff condition is necessary for the existence of such continuous linear functionals. While some support the idea that it is required, others do not reach a consensus on this point.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of locally convex spaces and the implications of the Hahn-Banach theorem, which may not be universally applicable without the Hausdorff condition. The exact nature of the functional's definition and the implications of closed sets in this context remain unresolved.

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I read that in any locally convex topological space X, not necessarily a Hausdorff space but with linear operations continuous, for any ##x_0\ne 0## we can define a continuous linear functional f:X\to K such that f(x_0)\ne 0.

I cannot find a proof of that anywhere and cannot prove it myself. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think that if A is closed in X and x_0\in A there exist a continuous linear functional rigorously separating x_0 and A, but I am not sure whether we can use that...

I have also tried with Minkowski functional, but with no result...
\infty thanks for any help!
 
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DavideGenoa said:
I read that in any locally convex topological space X, not necessarily a Hausdorff space but with linear operations continuous, for any ##x_0\ne 0## we can define a continuous linear functional f:X\to K such that f(x_0)\ne 0.

I cannot find a proof of that anywhere and cannot prove it myself. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think that if A is closed in X and x_0\in A there exist a continuous linear functional rigorously separating x_0 and A, but I am not sure whether we can use that...

I have also tried with Minkowski functional, but with no result...
\infty thanks for any help!

This follows from the Hahn-Banach theorems. One of the versions of this theorems state that

If ##\rho_0## is a continuous linear functional on a subspace ##V_0## of a locally convex space ##V##, then there is a continuous linear functional ##\rho:V\rightarrow K## such that ##\rho\vert_{V_0} = \rho_0##.

A proof can be found in Kadison & Ringrose "Fundamentals of the Theory of Operator Algebras, Vol I", Theorem 1.2.14 page 22.

Now you only need to define a suitable operator ##\rho_0## on ##\textrm{span}\{x_0\}## and apply the previous theorem.
 
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...and we can choose \rho_0:\alpha x_0\mapsto \alpha.
However, I think it may be necessary that ##V## be Hausdorff, since theorem 1.2.6, on which 1.2.14 is based, needs the hypothesis. ##\infty## thanks!
 
DavideGenoa said:
...and we can choose \rho_0:\alpha x_0\mapsto \alpha.
However, I think it may be necessary that ##V## be Hausdorff, since theorem 1.2.6, on which 1.2.14 is based, needs the hypothesis. ##\infty## thanks!

Yes, you need Hausdorff. Indeed, assume we have for each ##x_0\neq 0## a continuous functional ##f:V\rightarrow K## such that ##f(x_0)\neq 0##.

Then take ##x,y\in V## distinct points. We can find a continuous linear functional ##f:V\rightarrow K## such that ##f(x-y)\neq 0##. Thus we have ##f(x)\neq f(y)##, and thus we can find open sets ##U## and ##V## in ##K## such that ##f(x)\in U## and ##f(x)\in V## and ##U\cap V = \emptyset##. Then ##x\in f^{-1}(U)## and ##y\in f^{-1}(V)## and ##f^{-1}(U)## and ##f^{-1}(V)## are disjoint open sets in ##V##. As such ##V## is Hausdorff.
 
Functional analysis is so fascinating...
Thank you so much!
 

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