Continuous Functions: Does f(x+δ) = ε?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of continuity of functions defined on ℝ, specifically questioning whether the condition f(x+δ) - f(x) = ε can be derived from the formal definition of continuity. Participants explore the implications of the definition and seek counterexamples or clarifications regarding the relationship between ε and δ.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that continuity at a point x means that for every ε, there exists a δ such that |f(x) - f(y)| < ε whenever |x - y| < δ, questioning if this implies f(x + δ) - f(x) = ε.
  • Another participant argues against the implication, suggesting that one should focus on limiting processes rather than strict equalities, using the constant function f(x) = 1 as a counterexample where the condition does not hold.
  • A third participant reiterates the original question and proposes an alternative interpretation of the continuity definition, suggesting that for any ε > 0, a corresponding δ can be found such that the mapping of an interval around x on the x-axis corresponds to an interval around f(x) on the y-axis.
  • This participant encourages experimentation with simple functions like x² to observe the behavior of f(x + δ) - f(x) for various δ values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the implications of the continuity definition and whether the specific condition f(x + δ) - f(x) = ε can be derived from it.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the interpretation of continuity and the specific functions being considered. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the continuity definition in relation to the proposed condition.

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A function defined on ℝ is continuous at x if given ε, there is a δ such that |f(x)-f(y)|<ε whenever |x-y|<δ. Does this imply that f(x+δ)-f(x)=ε? The definition only deals with open intervals so i am not sure about this. If this is not true could someone please show me a counter example for it?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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No. You have to learn to think differently. Draw a lot of pictures and think about limiting processes, not equalities. A real function is continuous at x if I can draw a rectangular box around the point (x, f(x)), shrink the box arbitrarily small, and the function remains in the box. Consider f(x)=1 for all x. It is continuous everywhere, but for any epsilon>0 there is no delta which satisfies your statement. In fact, f(y)-f(x)=0 for all x,y, yet for any epsilon, no matter how small, I can choose delta arbitrarily large.
 
Flying_Goat said:
A function defined on ℝ is continuous at x if given ε, there is a δ such that |f(x)-f(y)|<ε whenever |x-y|<δ. Does this imply that f(x+δ)-f(x)=ε? The definition only deals with open intervals so i am not sure about this. If this is not true could someone please show me a counter example for it?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Another approach is :

The description can also be interpreted as saying that one can find, for any ε>0, a value of δ>0 every point x in the interval:

(y-δ,y+δ) on the x-axis

Is mapped into the interval (f(y)-ε,f(y)+ε )

on the y-axis.

Try playing with relatively-simple functions like x2, and see what happens with
the expression f(x+δ)-f(x), for different values of δ, and how you can choose δ to make the difference be within ε.
 
Thanks for your replies. I understand now.
 

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