Contradiction in a charge redistribution problem

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The problem involves two metallic spheres, one initially charged and the other neutral, which are brought into contact and then separated. The question seeks to determine the final charges on each sphere after contact. This falls under the subject area of electrostatics and charge redistribution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the assumption that charge redistributes equally between the two spheres, suggesting a final charge of +3 C on each if they are identical. Others question the validity of references claiming one sphere retains its charge while the other remains neutral.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing clarifications about the principles of charge distribution and equipotentiality in conductors. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the problem setup, particularly concerning the identity of the spheres.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential for confusion stemming from the original problem's wording and the possibility of misinterpretation in references. The discussion also touches on the implications of unequal sphere sizes, though this is noted as not directly relevant to the original question.

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Homework Statement


There are two metallic spheres, of same kind ,separeted from one another .One of them has charge 6 C wheras the another one is neutral.They are brought in contact for a long time.Then they are separeted again.Now what is the charges of the spheres?

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The Attempt at a Solution

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I assume that this charge will redistribute equally between the two sphers.so The charge of each sphere is +3.but in some references,i found the charges will remain +6,0.
Please help me to find out the right thing.
Thanks
 
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Raihan amin said:

Homework Statement


There are two metallic spheres, of same kind ,separeted from one another .One of them has charge 6 C wheras the another one is neutral.They are brought in contact for a long time.Then they are separeted again.Now what is the charges of the spheres?

Homework Equations

: [/B]

The Attempt at a Solution

: [/B]
I assume that this charge will redistribute equally between the two sphers.so The charge of each sphere is +3.but in some references,i found the charges will remain +6,0.
Please help me to find out the right thing.
Thanks
Are you saying that you found references claiming that one conductor will retain its charge and the other will be neutral? Can you provide these references?
 
Raihan amin said:
I assume that this charge will redistribute equally between the two sphers.so The charge of each sphere is +3.but in some references,i found the charges will remain +6,0.
Please help me to find out the right thing.
Thanks

What "some references"?

In this forum, you simply can't say that without providing clear and exact citation.

Zz.
 
The principle is that a conductor is an equipotential. Every part of the conductor will be at the same potential. When touching, the charge will redistribute so that both spheres are at the same potential.

Raihan amin said:
I assume that this charge will redistribute equally between the two sphers.so The charge of each sphere is +3

If they are identical in radius, then yes, this is the equipotential situation. If they are not, then you would have to work out what distribution of charge gives you the same potential on both spheres using the expression for potential of a charged conducing sphere.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/potsph.html

Raihan amin said:
in some references,i found the charges will remain +6,0.
That is not going to be the solution for any situation with two conducting spheres. You misread something or misremembered something.
 
Yeah.i misunderstand the article .sorry for creating confusion
 

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RPinPA said:
If they are identical in radius, then yes, this is the equipotential situation. If they are not, then you would have to work out what distribution of charge gives you the same potential on both spheres using the expression for potential of a charged conducing sphere.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/potsph.html
Not relevant to this thread, but that link does not answer the charge distribution for unequal conducting spheres in contact. It is a much subtler problem.
According to https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2138/05eeb99f6b0212fbc227d711bd4f4cae85eb.pdf, Maxwell (1891) showed the charge ratio to be ##\frac{\gamma+\psi(\frac b{a+b})}{\gamma+\psi(\frac a{a+b})}##, where ##\psi(z) = \frac d{dz} \ln \Gamma(z)## and ##\gamma = −\psi(1)## = 0.5772 ... is Euler’s constant. This ratio can be approximated as ##(\frac ab)^2(\frac{\pi^2}6)^\frac{a−b}{a+b}##.
(I may have been inconsistent in whether that's Qa/Qb or the other way up.)
 
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haruspex said:
Not relevant to this thread, but that link does not answer the charge distribution for unequal conducting spheres in contact.
I interpreted OP's label of the spheres as "same kind" to mean "identical". My reasoning is that, assuming that this problem is well-crafted, the ratio of radii will be given. Perhaps OP can post the question exactly as given? If the original question is in a language other than English, the possibility exists that something can be lost in translation.
 
kuruman said:
I interpreted OP's label of the spheres as "same kind" to mean "identical".
Yes, but I was responding to this in post #4:
RPinPA said:
If they are not, ...
As I wrote, it is not relevant to the question posed in the thread.
 

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