Convergence/Divergence of a Series

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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence or divergence of two series. Participants explore the application of convergence tests and the implications of limits in the context of series analysis.

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  • One participant presents two series and expresses confusion regarding their convergence, referencing a textbook definition that states if a series converges, then the limit of its terms must approach zero.
  • The same participant calculates the limit of the first series as zero but is puzzled by the textbook's assertion that it is divergent.
  • For the second series, the participant finds the limit to be 1/3 and questions the implications for convergence, noting the textbook also states it is divergent.
  • Another participant clarifies that the limit approaching zero is necessary for convergence but does not guarantee it, illustrating this with a logical analogy.
  • A further participant suggests comparing the series in question to the harmonic series to aid in determining convergence.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the convergence of the series. There are competing views regarding the interpretation of limits and the application of convergence tests.

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Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which a series converges or diverges, particularly regarding the implications of limits and the validity of logical reasoning in mathematical proofs.

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Determine whether or not the series is convergent or divergent. If it is convergent, find its sum.

1) 1/3 + 1/6 + 1/9 + 1/12 + 1/15 + ...


inf.
2) E (n-1)/(3n-1)
n=1

Okay, I'm having trouble with determining the convergence/divergence. My book states that, "If the series

inf.
E Asubn
n=1

is convergent, then lim as n goes to inf. asub n=0."

and it also states that, "If lim as n goes to inf. asubn does nto exist or if lim as n goes to inf. does not equal 0, then the series

inf.
E Asubn
n=1
is divergent.

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Here's where I'm having trouble. I set up the sum series for the first question as:
inf.
E Asubn 1/(3n)
n=1

Then I took the limit as n goes to inf. of 1/(3n) and got 0. So by the book, wouldn't this make it convergent? However my book has the answer as being divergent.

Then for the second question, I took the limit as n goes to inf. of (n-1)/(3n-1) to be 1/3. So wouldn't this make it convergent as well? The book has the answer as being divergent.

If someone would articulate the convergent/divergent test a little better it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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The theorem says:

IF the series converges, THEN the limit is zero.

You argue, that the limit is zero, thus the series converges. But that's the converse implication and it does not hold.

For example:
IF my name is Alex, THEN my name begins with an A.

What you do is: my name begins with an A so my name must be Alex.
This is of course invalid.
 
Okay thanks, that makes sense now. But if I find that the limit is 0, then it can be convergent or divergent. How do I tell from there?

inf.
E 1/3n
n=1

lim 1/3n = 0
n-->inf.
 
Try comparing it with the series \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n}.
 

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