Convergence of Sequence in C[0,1] Norms

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of sequences in the space \(C[0,1]\) under different norms, specifically the supremum norm and the \(L^1\) norm. Participants explore the implications of convergence in one norm for convergence in another, as well as the conditions under which these implications hold.

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  • One participant claims that if a sequence \{f_n\} is convergent in \((C[0,1],||\cdot||_{\infty})\), then it is also convergent in \((C[0,1],||\cdot||_1)\), suggesting that the supremum norm is the greatest value among all \(p\)-norms.
  • Another participant counters that the initial statement is not true in general, providing a counterexample on the real line where the \(L^p\) norms become infinite while the supremum remains bounded.
  • A later reply acknowledges the counterexample and clarifies that the original statement was intended for a specific normed metric space.
  • One participant argues that since \((C[0,1],||\cdot||_{\infty})\) is complete and the sequence is convergent, it leads to the conclusion that \(||f_n-f||_1\) approaches zero, supporting the initial claim.
  • Another participant agrees with the reasoning, suggesting that the same idea applies to all \(L^p\) norms.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the generality of the initial claim about convergence across norms. While some support the idea under specific conditions, others provide counterexamples that challenge its validity in broader contexts.

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The discussion highlights limitations regarding the assumptions made about the spaces involved and the conditions under which the convergence properties hold. There is an acknowledgment that the behavior of sequences may differ in various normed spaces.

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If a sequence \{f_n\} is convergent in \left(C[0,1],||\cdot||_{\infty}\right) then it is also convergent in \left(C[0,1],||\cdot||_1\right).

I think I understand why this is true. (In my own words) The relationship between the supremum norm and the usual norm (really any p-norm) is that the supremum norm is the greatest value in all p-norms. So, for all sequences, if the sequence is convergent in the supremum norm it's convergent in all norms on the same space. Is this true?

Also, for a sequence to converge it means
\exists \, f \,\ni \,\forall \,\epsilon>0 \,\exists\, N\ni\, \forall\, x\in C[0,1]
||f_n-f||_{\infty}<\epsilon \quad \forall n>N

This is a given, but how could I use that to prove the implied part? This is for my own edification.

Also, I can think of a counter example to show the other direction is not true.
Such as, f_n(t)=t^n \quad \text{then} \quad ||f_n||_1\rightarrow 0
but, ||f_n||_{\infty}\rightarrow 1
 
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The first statement is not true in general, only for measure spaces where the total measure is finite.

Counterexample on the real line:

fn(x)=1 -n<x<n, =0 |x|>n+1, and connect up to be continuous in between.
sup |fn(x)|=1, while all Lp norms become infinite.
 


Right, thank you. That is a good point. I haven't yet thought about this proclamation in all spaces. My statement was about the behavior was concerning this normed metric space.
 


Since (C[0,1],||\cdot||_{\infty}) is complete and \{f_n\} is convergent,
we know every sequence in (C[0,1],||\cdot||_{\infty}) is Cauchy convergent and converges uniformly \Rightarrow \quad ||f_n-f||_{\infty}\rightarrow \, 0.
Because of this we also know:
||f_n-f||_1=\int_0^1|f_n(t)-f(t)|dt\leq\int_0^1||f_n-f||_{\infty}dt=||f_n-f||_{\infty}
Therefore,
||f_n-f||_1\rightarrow \, 0

Is my reasoning correct?
 


Yes, You can use the same idea for all Lp norms.
 


Thanks, I appreciate your input.
 

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