Convergent sequence in compact metric space

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Theorem 3.6 from Baby Rudin, which states that in a compact metric space, a sequence has a convergent subsequence. Participants explore why not every subsequence converges, using examples and questioning the nature of convergence in compact spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why not every subsequence of a sequence in a compact metric space converges, suggesting that compactness implies all sequences should converge.
  • Examples are provided, such as the sequence p(n) = (-1)^{n} in X = [-1, 1], illustrating that while some subsequences converge, the entire sequence does not.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of shuffling infinitely many convergent sequences that converge to different points and what implications this has for convergence.
  • Participants note that while at least one subsequence must converge in a compact space, not all subsequences will necessarily converge unless the original sequence itself converges.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of bounded sequences and their convergence properties, with some participants reflecting on their assumptions about convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that at least one subsequence of a sequence in a compact metric space converges, but there is no consensus on the behavior of all subsequences, as some diverge while others converge.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of compactness on the convergence of all subsequences and the specific conditions under which subsequences may diverge or converge.

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Hi,

In Baby Rudin, Thm 3.6 states that If p(n) is a sequence in a compact metric space X, then some subsequence of p(n) converges to a point in X.

Why is it not the case that every subsequence of p(n) converges to a point in X? I would think a compact set would contain every sequence (finite or infinite) that originates within it.

Thanks,
pob
 
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pob1212 said:
Hi,

In Baby Rudin, Thm 3.6 states that If p(n) is a sequence in a compact metric space X, then some subsequence of p(n) converges to a point in X.

Why is it not the case that every subsequence of p(n) converges to a point in X? I would think a compact set would contain every sequence (finite or infinite) that originates within it.

Thanks,
pob

Take [itex]X=[-1,1][/itex] and let [itex]p(n)=(-1)^{n}[/itex]. Then there exists a convergent subsequence, namely the constant sequence [itex]p(2n)=1[/itex]. But the subsequence [itex]p(n)[/itex] (= the entire sequence) is not convergent.
 
pob1212 said:
Hi,

In Baby Rudin, Thm 3.6 states that If p(n) is a sequence in a compact metric space X, then some subsequence of p(n) converges to a point in X.

Why is it not the case that every subsequence of p(n) converges to a point in X? I would think a compact set would contain every sequence (finite or infinite) that originates within it.

Thanks,
pob

As Micromass points out, you can shuffle several convergent sequences that converge to different points.

Can you suffle infinitely many convergent sequences converging to different points? If so what happens?
 
micromass said:
But the subsequence [itex]p(n)[/itex] (= the entire sequence) is not convergent.

I think the issue was that I had assumed bounded sequences converge. This is clearly not the case.

To answer my question using the example you gave, there are 2 subsequences of p(n) which converge: p(2n) and p(2n+1), but a number of other subsequences (infinitely many to be exact) that diverge in X = [-1,1], a compact metric space. But if these 2 subsequences converge then infinitely many subsequences converge (i.e. p(4n), p(6n), ...). Right? And clearly p(3n), p(5n), ... all diverge. So then infinitely many subsequences diverge. Is this right?

In general at least one subsequence of p(n) in a compact metric space X converges to a point in X, but if the sequence p(n) converges to a point p [itex]\in[/itex] X, then every subsequence converges to p [itex]\in[/itex] X.

Please correct me if I'm wrong
 
That's right!

pob1212 said:
I think the issue was that I had assumed bounded sequences converge. This is clearly not the case.

To answer my question using the example you gave, there are 2 subsequences of p(n) which converge: p(2n) and p(2n+1), but a number of other subsequences (infinitely many to be exact) that diverge in X = [-1,1], a compact metric space. But if these 2 subsequences converge then infinitely many subsequences converge (i.e. p(4n), p(6n), ...). Right? And clearly p(3n), p(5n), ... all diverge. So then infinitely many subsequences diverge. Is this right?

In general at least one subsequence of p(n) in a compact metric space X converges to a point in X, but if the sequence p(n) converges to a point p [itex]\in[/itex] X, then every subsequence converges to p [itex]\in[/itex] X.

Please correct me if I'm wrong
 

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