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The discussion revolves around the convergence of two series: an alternating series and a power series. The first series is presented as an alternating series involving terms of the form \((-1)^{k} \frac{\sqrt{k}+1}{k+1}\), while the second series involves the power series \(\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{x^{k}}{\sqrt{k^2+3}}\) with a claimed interval of convergence of \([-1,1]\).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Leibniz criterion for the first series and the ratio test for the second series. There is uncertainty regarding the monotonicity of the first series' terms and whether the provided interval of convergence for the second series is accurate. Some participants question the validity of using comparison tests for series with alternating terms.

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Multiple interpretations of the convergence criteria are being explored, with some participants suggesting specific tests while others express confusion about the application of these tests. Guidance has been offered regarding the application of the Leibniz criterion and the ratio test, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interval of convergence for the second series.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential typographical errors in the original series expressions and discuss the implications of these errors on their analyses. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the methods available for proving convergence.

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Qn 1:
[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{k}((\sqrt{k}+1)/(k+1))[/tex]

Interval of convergence for the series:
[tex]\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}((x^{k})/(\sqrt{(k²+3)}))[/tex]
The ans is [-1,1]
 
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For the first one - it is an alternating series. Have you tried to apply the Leibniz criterion?

For the second one - use the ratio test. And the answer isn't [-1,1].
 
Gib Z said:
For the first one - it is an alternating series. Have you tried to apply the Leibniz criterion?

For the second one - use the ratio test. And the answer isn't [-1,1].

Thanks Gib for the great hints.

The first one I am not able to prove that the series is monotone decreasing. (I've tried using triangle inequality). Will take a look again.. meanwhile do u mind sheding more light on this? (Btw I've realized that I've made some typo error please look at the series agn)

The second one that is the answer given by the lecturer. I've gotten [-1,1) instead.
 
If I am reading correctly, is the term in your first one [tex]\frac{ \sqrt{k+1}}{k+1} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{k+1}}[/tex] ? If so, it should be evident that it is decreasing, but you can also check the difference of consecutive terms is negative quite easily.

For the second one, you have the right answer. The inside interval (-1,1) follows from the ratio test, the endpoint -1 follows from the Leibniz criterion, and the endpoint 1 is dealt with by comparison to a well known divergent series. Your lecturer probably made a silly mistake, and will be impressed if you also add in the proof of why it is divergent at x=1.
 
Gib Z said:
If I am reading correctly, is the term in your first one [tex]\frac{ \sqrt{k+1}}{k+1} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{k+1}}[/tex] ? If so, it should be evident that it is decreasing, but you can also check the difference of consecutive terms is negative quite easily.

For the second one, you have the right answer. The inside interval (-1,1) follows from the ratio test, the endpoint -1 follows from the Leibniz criterion, and the endpoint 1 is dealt with by comparison to a well known divergent series. Your lecturer probably made a silly mistake, and will be impressed if you also add in the proof of why it is divergent at x=1.

Uhh... Sorry Gib.. please help me on the first one agn.. I've made typo earlier. :redface:
(I hope i don't not have to resort to second finte induction (Mathematical induction)

For the second one, I've proved that at x=1 the series is divergent by limit comparision test with [tex]\frac{1}{k}[/tex] which is a harmonic series.
 
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You can see that [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{1}{k+1}[/tex] converges, so we need only check [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{ \sqrt{k}}{k+1}[/tex] converges or diverges, since by addition we get the original series back (of course, we use "Convergent + Convergent = Convergent, Convergent + Divergent = Divergent").

So for the simpler one we are checking, by the Leibniz criterion we must check if the term is eventually decreasing. One way to do this is to show the ratio of consecutive terms is less than 1, so try to show that.
 
Gib Z said:
You can see that [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{1}{k+1}[/tex] converges, so we need only check [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{ \sqrt{k}}{k+1}[/tex] converges or diverges, since by addition we get the original series back (of course, we use "Convergent + Convergent = Convergent, Convergent + Divergent = Divergent").

So for the simpler one we are checking, by the Leibniz criterion we must check if the term is eventually decreasing. One way to do this is to show the ratio of consecutive terms is less than 1, so try to show that.

Oh! thanks! I was reluctant i split into separate sums ...
In fact i can say that [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{1}{k} > \sum (-1)^k \frac{1}{k+1}[/tex] (I think this is a wrong approach)

Then i can prove that [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{1}{k}[/tex] is convergent by leibniz criterion..

However my question is whether the comparision test is only suitable for positive terms?
 
Don't do comparison, just apply Leibniz straight away. 1/(k+1) is decreasing.

Show the ratio of consecutive terms is less than 1 for [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{\sqrt{k}}{k+1}[/tex] too.
 
Gib Z said:
Don't do comparison, just apply Leibniz straight away. 1/(k+1) is decreasing.

Show the ratio of consecutive terms is less than 1 for [tex]\sum (-1)^k \frac{\sqrt{k}}{k+1}[/tex] too.

But we can only show the ratio is less than 1 for finite terms is it sufficient?
 

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