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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the flow of air through a device, specifically focusing on determining the static pressure and temperature based on given stagnation conditions. The participants engage in mathematical reasoning related to the application of thermodynamic equations.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem statement involving stagnation pressure, stagnation temperature, and velocity, and attempts to isolate temperature using the equation Tt = T + V² / (2 Cp).
  • Another participant points out an algebraic error in the original equation used to isolate T, suggesting that the correct form is T = Tt - [V² / (2 Cp)].
  • A participant questions whether the isolation of T would remain unchanged regardless of the use of brackets in the equation.
  • There is a mention of uncertainty regarding the derivation of the equation, with one participant indicating they will seek clarification from a professor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to isolating T, and there remains uncertainty regarding the algebraic manipulation of the equation. Multiple viewpoints on the correct method are presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential misunderstandings in the application of the thermodynamic equation, particularly regarding the manipulation of terms and the use of constants.

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Homework Statement


air flows through a device such that the stagnation pressure is 0.6 MPa, the stagnation temperature is 400° C, and the velocy is 570 m/s.
Determine the static pressure and temperature of the air at this state.

Homework Equations


Tt=T + V2 / 2 Cp where Cp is 1.005 Kj/ Kg* ° K

The Attempt at a Solution


what I did was Isolate for T since that is what I am looking for. [/B]

2 Cp x Tt - v2 = T
somewhere in here I know I have to throw in 1000m2/s2/ Kj/kg °k
when I do that I get -323.5 ° K

the answer is 518.6 ° K

Someone please let me know where I have gone wrong. Thank you
 
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tsukuba said:

Homework Statement


air flows through a device such that the stagnation pressure is 0.6 MPa, the stagnation temperature is 400° C, and the velocy is 570 m/s.
Determine the static pressure and temperature of the air at this state.

Homework Equations


Tt=T + V2 / 2 Cp where Cp is 1.005 Kj/ Kg* ° K

The Attempt at a Solution


what I did was Isolate for T since that is what I am looking for. [/B]

2 Cp x Tt - v2 = T
somewhere in here I know I have to throw in 1000m2/s2/ Kj/kg °k
when I do that I get -323.5 ° K

the answer is 518.6 ° K

Someone please let me know where I have gone wrong. Thank you

Your algebra is a little dodgy in solving for T.

The correct equation is:
Tt = T + [V2 / (2 Cp)]

which means your equation for T is incorrect. :frown:
 
brackets or no brakets, wouldn't T stay the same when isolating it?
 
tsukuba said:
brackets or no brakets, wouldn't T stay the same when isolating it?

Tt = T + [V2 / (2 Cp)]

T = Tt - [V2 / (2 Cp)]

But you had

2 Cp x Tt - V2 = T

which is not the same. Apparently, you multiplied only one side of the equation by (2 Cp).
 
hmm, not sure how you get that equation but I'm still not getting the right answer. I will have to ask the professor tomorrow
 

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