Convert Units for Thermodynamics Calculations?

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The discussion centers on the necessity of converting temperature to Kelvin when performing thermodynamics calculations, particularly using the ideal gas equation. Participants agree that while absolute temperature is required, both Kelvin and Rankine can be used effectively. It is emphasized that Fahrenheit and Celsius are not suitable for these calculations. The consensus is that while converting all units to SI is not mandatory, it is often safer to do so to avoid errors in calculations.

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I am reading something about thermodynamics and everything are not given in SI units. In the material, they use Fahrenheit for temperature, BTU for heat, lb for mass and in^2 for area. Now I need to calculate something with the data given in those units, well, I need to apply equation for ideal case, to assure the result of my calculation makes sense, must I convert all unit to SI? I know ideal gas equation defined in Kelvin unit. Can I only convert the temperature to Kelvin while keeping others units unchanged ?
 
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You can google all the conversions you need. I suggest using whatever units you are comfortable with - that's what I do. I switch back and forth, depending on the situation.
 
Using temperature is a bit more tricky than other quantities, since for other quantities there is usually a well-defined ratio for different for units, but for different units of temperature there is a ratio with an offset. To be safe, it's usually best to do all temperature calculations in Kelvin.
 
Remember google does automatic conversation of units - just type the question into the search box

enter "9.81m/s^2 in furlongs/fortnight^2"
gives the answer "9.81 (m / (s^2)) = 7.13499487 × 10^10 furlongs / (fortnight^2)"
 
Thanks all your reply. I know how to do the units conversion, my question is just want to know if it is a must to convert temperature to kelvin before calculation? Since I was told that ideal gas equation only work in absolute temperature.
 
You can use Rankine (the Fahrenheit absolute scale) and the value of R will be different but otherwise the equation is the same.
 
Use unit converter, I use one below
http://www.convertcenter.com
 
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KFC said:
Thanks all your reply. I know how to do the units conversion, my question is just want to know if it is a must to convert temperature to kelvin before calculation? Since I was told that ideal gas equation only work in absolute temperature.

mgb_phys said:
You can use Rankine (the Fahrenheit absolute scale) and the value of R will be different but otherwise the equation is the same.

Correct. Temperature must be in absolute units. Both Kelvin and Rankine units would work. Fahrenheit and Celsius will not.

"absolute temperature" and "Kelvin" are not synonymous.
 
We live in a mixed world, and it is much smarter to learn to function with both SI and US Customary units. Those who think that every thing must be converted to SI units before any calculations can be made will make a lot of pointless conversions, and then will find that it is necessary to convert the final results back in many cases. Until such time as the US adopts the SI system, it is foolish not to learn to function in both systems.
 
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Dr.D said:
We live in a mixed world, and it is much smarter to learn to function with both SI and US Customary units. Those who think that every thing must be converted to SI units before any calculations can be made will make a lot of pointless conversions, and then will find that it is necessary to convert the final results back in many cases. Until such time as the US adopts the SI system, it is foolish not to learn to function in both systems.

Thanks for reply. Well, I totally understand that. The reason I am asking this is because in some case you don't have freedom to use any unit you want. For example, in the state equation of ideal gas, we cannot plugin the termperature in Celsius. So I am just thinking it is safe to use SI units in calculation.
 

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