Converting a Vector Differential Equation in Fluid Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around a three-dimensional vector differential equation in fluid mechanics involving unknown scalar functions and a known vector function. Participants explore methods to manipulate the equation to isolate one of the unknowns or to find a solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation and seeks methods to convert it into a form that isolates one of the unknowns.
  • Another participant suggests that the original equation leads to three separate scalar equations, which imply that unless the vector field is special, one of the unknowns must be zero.
  • A later reply clarifies the equations and describes progress made under specific variable conditions, leading to a curl operation that simplifies the problem.
  • One participant proposes dividing by one of the unknowns and taking the curl, leading to a new form of the equation and subsequent conditions that must be satisfied.
  • Another participant agrees with the proposed approach and seeks further direction on the next steps.
  • One participant suggests forming the inner product of the original equation with the curl of the vector function, which leads to an equation involving only one of the unknowns.

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Participants express various approaches and methods to tackle the problem, but there is no consensus on a definitive solution or method. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best way to isolate or solve for the unknowns.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note specific conditions under which their approaches hold, such as when certain variables are held constant. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the vector field and the unknown functions.

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Hi guys,
I have encountered a problem in fluid mechanics that gives a three-dimensional vector differential equation
\begin{equation}
a \vec{f} + \nabla{a} + b \nabla{c} = \vec{0}
\end{equation}
where a, b, and c are unknown scalar functions of three-dimensional space and f is a known vector function of space. Do you have any ideas how to convert this into an equation for a (or b or c) alone or even solve it?

Thank you very much!
 
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Well, you have three separate scalar equations
a f_x + \nabla a + b \nabla c = 0 ; a f_y + \nabla a + b \nabla c = 0 ; a f_z + \nabla a + b \nabla c = 0
If you subtract them pairwise, you get:
a(f_x - f_y) = 0 ; a(f_x - f_z) = 0 ; a(f_y - f_z) = 0
Unless f is a very special vector field (where fx = fy = fz everywhere), this seems to imply that a = 0. If a = 0, then your original equation becomes b \nabla c = 0, which of course has solutions independent of f, but probably isn't what you want.
 
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Thanks for your reply, I highly appreciate it. The equations would read
\begin{eqnarray}
a f_x + \partial_x a + b \partial_x c &=& 0 \\
a f_y + \partial_y a + b \partial_y c &=& 0 \\
a f_z + \partial_z a + b \partial_z c &=& 0
\end{eqnarray}
since the gradient operator produces a vector.

To give you more background information, the equation I am trying to solve in its original form is
\begin{equation}
d \vec{x} \cdot (a \vec{f} + \nabla{a} + b \nabla{c}) = 0
\end{equation}

I will try to describe the progress I have made. If only x is variable and y = 0 and z = 0 are constant and zero, only the first of the three equations has to be satisfied and the differential equation becomes
\begin{equation}
a f_x + a^{\prime} = 0
\end{equation}
and b and c are constants. When x and y are variables and z is constant, b = 1 because two functions are enough to satisfy the set of equations. One can use the curl operator and arrives at
\begin{equation}
\nabla \times (a \vec{f}) = \vec{0}
\end{equation}
since the curl of the gradient is zero. This can be solved for a and c, too.

I have not managed to solve the equation when x, y, and z are variable.

Thanks for your time guys and I appreciate any kind of input.
 
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Apologies for my stupid post. Let me think about it some more.
 
I think I found the solution. Divide by a and take the curl and you get
\begin{equation*}
\nabla \times \vec{f} + \nabla (b/a) \times \nabla c = \vec{0}
\end{equation*}
From this follows
\begin{eqnarray}
\nabla (b/a) \cdot \nabla \times \vec{f} = 0 \\
\nabla c \cdot \nabla \times \vec{f} = 0
\end{eqnarray}
Any suggestions if this approach seems correct?
 
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Gribouille said:
I think I found the solution. Divide by a and take the curl and you get
\begin{equation*}
\nabla \times \vec{f} + \nabla (b/a) \times \nabla c = \vec{0}
\end{equation*}
From this follows
\begin{eqnarray}
\nabla (b/a) \cdot \nabla \times \vec{f} = 0 \\
\nabla c \cdot \nabla \times \vec{f} = 0
\end{eqnarray}
Any suggestions if this approach seems correct?

I agree with this so far. Where would you go next?
 
I would form the inner product of the original equation and the curl of f. That results in
\begin{equation*}
a ( \nabla \times \vec{f} ) \cdot \vec{f} + ( \nabla \times \vec{f} ) \cdot \nabla a + b ( \nabla \times \vec{f} ) \cdot \nabla c = 0
\end{equation*}
The last term on the left-hand side is zero and we have an equation of a alone.
 

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