Converting from Cartesian to polar form

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around converting the complex number \(\frac{1-i}{3}\) into polar form. Participants explore the calculations involved in determining the modulus and argument, addressing potential errors and clarifications in their approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the polar form as \(\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} e^{\frac{i\pi}{4}}\) but notes that the solutions indicate \(e^{\frac{-i\pi}{4}}\).
  • Another participant emphasizes that the absolute value in complex analysis represents the modulus, which is a positive real number.
  • A participant corrects their earlier work, stating that \(\cos(\theta)\) should be \(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\) instead of \(\frac{1}{3}\), leading to the conclusion that \(\theta\) could be \(\pm\frac{\pi}{4}\).
  • Discussion includes the importance of determining the correct quadrant for the complex number \(1-i\), which lies in the fourth quadrant, affecting the sign of \(\theta\).
  • Participants express confusion over the notation and coordinate representation of complex numbers, particularly distinguishing between \(1-i\) and \(1+i\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct angle for the polar form, with some suggesting \(\frac{i\pi}{4}\) and others indicating \(-\frac{i\pi}{4}\). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most efficient method for conversion and the correct interpretation of the quadrant.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to check the quadrant when converting to polar form, which may affect the sign of the angle. There are also mentions of potential typos and misinterpretations in earlier calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals learning about complex numbers, polar coordinates, and the conversion processes involved in complex analysis.

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another question:

convert $|\frac{1-i}{3}|$ to polar form

i am getting $\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} e^{\frac{i\pi}{4}}$

but the solutions say:
$e^{\frac{-i\pi}{4}}$

i did
$ x = r\cos(\theta)$ and $y=r\sin(\theta)$
so

$\frac{1}{3} = {\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3}}\cos(\theta)$
$\frac{1}{3} = \cos(\theta)$
And thus $\theta = \frac{\pi}{4}$
similarly, the same was determined for $\sin(\theta)$

What did I do wrong, why didn't i obtain a negative?
Also, is there a shorter method to find the ans? I would love if someone could give me a fully worked solution with the most efficient way to get the answer.

THanks.
 
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nacho said:
another question:

convert $|\frac{1-i}{3}|$ to polar form

The absolute value in complex analysis represents the modulus so the result will be a positive real number.
 
nacho said:
another question:

convert $|\frac{1-i}{3}|$ to polar form

i am getting $\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} e^{\frac{i\pi}{4}}$

but the solutions say:
$e^{\frac{-i\pi}{4}}$

i did
$ x = r\cos(\theta)$ and $y=r\sin(\theta)$
so

$\frac{1}{3} = {\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3}}\cos(\theta)$
$\frac{1}{3} = \cos(\theta)$ This is wrong: $\color{red}{\cos\theta}$ should be $\color{red}{1/\sqrt2}$.
And thus $\theta = \color{red}{\pm}\frac{\pi}{4}$
similarly, the same was determined for $\sin(\theta)$

What did I do wrong, why didn't i obtain a negative?
Also, is there a shorter method to find the ans? I would love if someone could give me a fully worked solution with the most efficient way to get the answer.

THanks.
[I assume the mod signs should not be there, otherwise as ZaidAlyafey says the result should be a positive real number and $\theta$ will be zero.]

When converting to polar form, you should always check which quadrant the number lies in. In this case, $1-i$ is in the fourth quadrant, so $\cos\theta$ will be positive but $\sin\theta$ will be negative. This means that you should choose the negative value for $\theta$.
 
Sorry, both typos

The absolute value shouldn't have been there, and I had the correct workings but transcribed them onto here incorrectly!

Thanks for the note about the $1+i$ lying in the 4th quadrant,
I never looked at it the correct way from the beginning! This has been my flaw up until now.

Thank you !
 
nacho said:
Thanks for the note about the $1+i$ lying in the 4th quadrant,
just to make sure you mean that $$1-i$$ lying in the 4th quadrant cause $$1+i$$ lying in the first quadrant:P

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
Petrus said:
just to make sure you mean that $$1-i$$ lying in the 4th quadrant cause $$1+i$$ lying in the first quadrant:P

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$

thanks for the concern
I seem to be making typos all over the place! :P that's what I meant.

I didn't understand at first you could look at the points these way.

for instance, $1-i$ is referring to a coordinate, correct?

Yet whenever I think of coordinates, I think only in terms of $(1,-i)$ notation
 

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