Cook some ham, when spoil at room temp.

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The discussion revolves around the safety and spoilage timeline of cooked ham left at room temperature. Participants explore factors influencing how long the ham remains safe to eat after cooking, considering guidelines and personal experiences.

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  • One participant inquires about the safe consumption time for cooked ham left at room temperature, specifically asking if it is safe by lunch, late lunch, or dinner.
  • Another participant cites FDA guidelines stating that cooked food should not be left at room temperature for more than 2 hours to prevent bacterial growth, with a stricter limit of 1 hour in warmer conditions.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that environmental factors, such as the season, may affect the presence of bacteria in the air, potentially influencing spoilage rates.
  • One participant mentions anecdotal evidence of people consuming leftover pizza the next morning, implying variability in food safety practices.
  • Another suggestion is made that vacuum sealing the ham could extend its shelf life at room temperature.

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Participants express differing views on the safety of consuming cooked ham left at room temperature, with some adhering to FDA guidelines while others propose alternative considerations based on personal experience and environmental factors. No consensus is reached on a definitive timeline for safety.

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The discussion highlights the variability in food safety practices and the influence of external conditions on spoilage, but lacks specific experimental data or detailed definitions of "room temperature" and "safe consumption." Additionally, assumptions about the ham's initial cooking conditions and handling are not fully explored.

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Suppose I cook some thickly sliced ham (say 3-5mm) long enough to kill any bad bugs on or in the ham at 9 in the morning. I also cook it till it has lost much of its absorbed water, its kind of dry. At room temperature what is the eat by time be for this ham, by lunch, 12, by late lunch 2, by dinner?

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From FDA guidelines:
Bacteria grow rapidly between the temperatures of 40° F and 140° F. After food is safely cooked, hot food must be kept hot at 140° F or warmer to prevent bacterial growth. Within 2 hours of cooking food or after it is removed from an appliance keeping it warm, leftovers must be refrigerated. Throw away all perishable foods that have been left in room temperature for more than 2 hours (1 hour if the temperature is over 90° F, such as at an outdoor picnic during summer).
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal...d-handling/leftovers-and-food-safety/ct_index
 
It could depend upon the season also. In winter, there might not be as many bugs floating around in the air as in the summer.

People, especially teens and college students, do seem to survive left over pizza next morning from the night before.
Even if the FDA guidelines are on the side of caution, with certain foods, such as the all too common egg salad on picnics, one had best follow their advice.
 
If you vacuum seal it it lasts longer
 

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