Coord Transf. in Linearized GR: Understanding Metric Transformation

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The discussion revolves around the coordinate transformation in linearized General Relativity (GR) and its implications for metric transformation. Participants explore the relationship between the coordinate transformation and the resulting changes in the metric tensor, focusing on the mathematical definitions and derivations involved.

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  • One participant presents a coordinate transformation ## \tilde{x}^{a} = x^{a} + \epsilon y^{a}(x) ## and seeks clarification on how this leads to the metric transformation ## g_{ab}(x) = \tilde{g}_{ab}(x) + \epsilon \mathcal{L}_{Y} g_{ab} ##.
  • Another participant explains the definition of the Lie derivative of the metric, providing a limit definition that connects the flow of the vector field to the metric transformation.
  • A participant notes the expression for the Lie derivative and derives the metric transformation using the coordinate transformation, emphasizing the relationship between the derivatives and the metric tensor.
  • One participant argues that the derivation of the Lie derivative should be based on its definition rather than the other way around, introducing the Levi-Civita connection and covariant derivatives in the process.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial question about the metric transformation and suggests substituting the transformed coordinates into the transformation law of the metric tensor, expanding to first order in ##\epsilon##.

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Participants express varying perspectives on the derivation of the metric transformation from the coordinate transformation. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of the definitions involved, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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Participants reference various mathematical expressions and definitions, including the Lie derivative and the Levi-Civita connection, but the discussion does not resolve the assumptions or dependencies on specific definitions.

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I was studying linearized GR where we make the following coordinate transformation ## \tilde{x}^{a} = x^{a} + \epsilon y^{a}(x) ##

This coordinate transformation is then meant to imply ## g_{ab}(x) = \tilde{g}_{ab}(x) + \epsilon \mathcal{L}_{Y} g_{ab} ##

Would anyone be kind enough to explain to me how the metric transformation is gotten from the coordinate transformation?
 
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To some extent, this is how the Lie derivative of the metric is defined. The Lie derivative is given by
$$
\mathcal L_Y g = \lim_{\epsilon\to 0}\left[\frac{1}{\epsilon}(\gamma_{Y}(\epsilon)^* g - g)\right],
$$
where ##\gamma_Y(\epsilon)## is the flow of the vector field ##Y## for a parameter distance ##\epsilon##. If you write this out in coordinates, you will get exactly your given relation.

(Note that ##f^*g## is the pullback of ##g## under the diffeomorphism ##f##.)
 
Noticing that the Lie Derivative for the metric is ##(\mathcal L_\xi g)_{ab} = g_{ac} \xi^c_{,b} + g_{bc} \xi^c_{,a}##
you can write down the metric in ##x+ \epsilon \xi## $$g_{ab} (x+ \epsilon \xi) d(x+ \epsilon \xi)^a d(x+ \epsilon \xi)^b = (g_{ab} + \epsilon (g_{ac} \xi^c_{,b} + g_{bc} \xi^c_{,a}))dx^a dx^b + \mathcal O (\epsilon^2) \approx (g_{ab} + \epsilon (\mathcal L_\xi g)_{ab}) dx^a dx^b$$
 
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kent davidge said:
Noticing that the Lie Derivative for the metric is ##(\mathcal L_\xi g)_{ab} = g_{ac} \xi^c_{,b} + g_{bc} \xi^c_{,a}##
you can write down the metric in ##x+ \epsilon \xi## $$g_{ab} (x+ \epsilon \xi) d(x+ \epsilon \xi)^a d(x+ \epsilon \xi)^b = (g_{ab} + \epsilon (g_{ac} \xi^c_{,b} + g_{bc} \xi^c_{,a}))dx^a dx^b + \mathcal O (\epsilon^2) \approx (g_{ab} + \epsilon (\mathcal L_\xi g)_{ab}) dx^a dx^b$$
This is a bit of a backwards argument. The definition of the Lie derivative is that given in #2. Based on that definition, you can derive ##(\mathcal L_\xi T)_{ab} = T_{ac} \xi^c_{,b} + T_{cb} \xi^c_{,a} + \xi^c T_{ab,c}## for an arbitrary type (0,2) tensor field ##T##. Now, if you have the Levi-Civita connection, then ##\nabla_\xi g = 0## and you would have
$$
(\mathcal L_\xi g)_{ab} = g_{ac} \xi^c_{;b} + g_{cb} \xi^c_{;a}.
$$
Note that you get some Christoffel symbols out of ##\xi^c g_{ab,c}## that turn the derivatives of the ##\xi## into covariant derivatives. Thus, you get the expression you started with from applying the definition of the Lie derivative, not the other way around.
 
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Much appreciated guys. I understand now thanks.
 
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Woolyabyss said:
I was studying linearized GR where we make the following coordinate transformation ## \tilde{x}^{a} = x^{a} + \epsilon y^{a}(x) ##

This coordinate transformation is then meant to imply ## g_{ab}(x) = \tilde{g}_{ab}(x) + \epsilon \mathcal{L}_{Y} g_{ab} ##

Would anyone be kind enough to explain to me how the metric transformation is gotten from the coordinate transformation?
Just substitute \bar{x} = x + \epsilon Y in the transformation law of the metric tensor and expand to first order in \epsilon. It is more convenient to work with the inverted transformation g_{ab}(x) = \frac{\partial \bar{x}^{c}}{\partial x^{a}}\frac{\partial \bar{x}^{d}}{\partial x^{b}} \bar{g}_{cd}(\bar{x}) . Keep in mind that infinitesimal transformation means that \bar{g}_{ab} = g_{ab} + \mathcal{O}(\epsilon). Therefore, to first order in \epsilon, you can use \epsilon \ \bar{g}_{ab}(x) = \epsilon \ g_{ab}(x) when you Tylor-expand \bar{g}_{cd} (\bar{x}) and when you multiply \bar{g}_{cd}(x) by other \epsilon-terms:
g_{ab}(x) = \left( \delta^{c}_{a} + \epsilon \ \partial_{a}Y^{c}\right) \left( \delta^{d}_{b} + \epsilon \ \partial_{b}Y^{d} \right) \left( \bar{g}_{cd}(x) + \epsilon \ Y^{e}\partial_{e} g_{cd}(x) \right) . So, to first order, you can rewrite this as - \frac{1}{\epsilon} \left( \bar{g}_{ab} - g_{ab}\right) (x) \equiv - \left( \mathcal{L}_{Y}g\right)_{ab} (x) = Y^{c}\partial_{c}g_{ab} + g_{ac}\partial_{b}Y^{c} + g_{cb}\partial_{a}Y^{c} .
 
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