Correct solubility product value

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the discrepancies in the solubility product constant (Ksp) values for calcium fluoride and other salts as found in different reference materials. Participants explore the reasons behind these variations, including measurement conditions and the reliability of sources.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion over differing Ksp values for calcium fluoride found in various reference books and online sources.
  • Another participant explains that constants like Ksp are results of measurements that can vary due to different conditions such as pH and ionic strength.
  • It is suggested that discrepancies often arise from different sources measuring under varying conditions, leading to inaccuracies in the reported values.
  • Participants mention that tables of constants typically lack detailed information about the conditions under which the measurements were taken.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of referencing the original measurement papers for accurate context regarding the constants.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of source citations in textbooks and problem books, which can lead to confusion among students.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that variations in Ksp values can be attributed to different measurement conditions and the reliability of sources. However, there is no consensus on a single correct value for the Ksp of calcium fluoride or on the best practices for referencing these values.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the availability of contextual information regarding the conditions of measurements for solubility constants, which may lead to misunderstandings and inconsistencies in reported values.

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Hi,

For school we are currently working with heterogeneous equilibria. I am given a salt that will be solved in water and I have to calculate the concentrations of the ions. I have to use the solubility product for this. In the Netherlands we are provided with a reference book that has all common values and constants of physics and chemistry in it. I have both the old 5th edition and newest 6th edition of this reference book, which is the only one we are allowed to use in exams. So I look up the Ksp for calcium fluoride. The 6th edition tells me 3,5 * 10^-11. After having calculated the concenstrations, it turns out my answers were wrong. In my answers booklet a value of 1,5*10^-11 was used for the Ksp instead of 3,5. I knew my chemistry book is old, so I checked on the 5th edition for the chemistry references. And here it told me a value of 1,5*10^-11... Okay, obviously my old chemistry book was matched up with the older reference book. But still, why was it changed? I got confused and I checked on the internet and I am seeing different values of the salt everywhere... 3,9*10^-11, 5,9*10^-9... I mean, how can a constant of physics and chemistry not be clear? Am I missing something here? I checked for other salts and I am finding very different Ksp's for them too. Most match up between my 5th and 6th edition reference books and the internet as well, but some of them are completely different everywhere!
 
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First, these constants are results of measurements, so they are never perfect. Second, when they were measured, they were often measured for different conditions - different pH, different ionic strength and so on. In a perfect world tables should contain all these information together with the constant, then it is clear why the values are different. Sadly, this world is far from being perfect and people aggregating solubility/dissociation constants often make lists ignoring all the additional information, thus making the list full of inaccuracies. If two lists give different values it often means these are taken from different sources and were measured in different conditions.

On top of that are all possible typos added during tables preparation.
 
Borek said:
Second, when they were measured, they were often measured for different conditions - different pH, different ionic strength and so on. In a perfect world tables should contain all these information together with the constant, then it is clear why the values are different.

While the tables usually don't contain this information, they usually contain at least a reference to the paper where the measurement was published and from which this information can be extracted.
 
DrDu said:
While the tables usually don't contain this information, they usually contain at least a reference to the paper where the measurement was published and from which this information can be extracted.

Sadly, that's rarely case with the supplemental material in textbooks and problem books - these just list values to use when solving problems, without bothering to name the source.

Sure, serious collections of the constants (like the one I am using, Handbook of Chemical Equilibria in Analytical Chemistry, Kotrly and Sucha, Ellis Horwood Ltd. 1985), list not only sources, but even particular conditions in which every constant was determined.
 

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