Correcting the Mistakes in Completing the Square for y=3x^2+2x-1

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The discussion revolves around the process of completing the square for the quadratic equation y=3x^2+2x-1, with participants attempting to express it in the form y=a(x-h)^2+K. The focus includes identifying mistakes in the transformation and clarifying the correct values for a, h, and K.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their method for completing the square but questions the correctness of their final expression, suggesting it should be y=3(x+1/3)^2-4/3 instead of their derived form.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the sign of the term -2x in the transformation, prompting a recommendation to approach the problem differently by introducing a constant D.
  • A third participant points out an error in the initial setup of the equation, suggesting that the correct form should include a different constant term rather than -1.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the values of a, h, and K, with emphasis on the need to adjust K based on the derived value of ah².

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct final form of the equation. There are multiple competing views on the correct approach and values for h and K, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the transformation steps and the implications of sign changes in the equation. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the constants involved in completing the square.

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Ok so can you please tell me where I go wrong here. I want to put
y=3x^2+2x-1 into y=a(x-h)^2+K

ax^2-2ah+ah^2+k=3x^2-2x+ah^2-1

ax^2=3x^2 -----> a=3
-2ahx=-2x
-2(3)hx=-2x ----->h=1/3
K=----->-1

Therefore:

y=3(x-1/3)^2-1

But I think it's suppost to be: y=3(x+1/3)^2-4/3

Is that right? So what is wrong...
 
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thomasrules said:
Ok so can you please tell me where I go wrong here. I want to put
y=3x^2+2x-1 into y=a(x-h)^2+K

ax^2-2ah+ah^2+k=3x^2-2x+ah^2-1

ax^2=3x^2 -----> a=3
-2ahx=-2x
-2(3)hx=-2x ----->h=1/3
K=----->-1

Therefore:

y=3(x-1/3)^2-1

But I think it's suppost to be: y=3(x+1/3)^2-4/3

Is that right? So what is wrong...

There's nothing wrong with your method...except that I find it very confusing! :confused:

I want to put
y=3x^2+2x-1 into y=a(x-h)^2+K

ax^2-2ah+ah^2+k=3x^2-2x+ah^2-1
I know you are trying to compare terms to find h and k here, but how did the 2x get a negative sign?

I'd recommend looking at it like this:
[tex]y=3x^2+2x-1[/tex]
[tex]y=3x^2+2x+D-D-1[/tex]

Now, a perfect square in the form [tex]a(x-h)^2[/tex] looks like:
[tex]ax^2-2ahx+ah^2=3x^2+2x+D[/tex]
We see that -2ah=2 and ah^2=D.
We of course know what a is, right? I leave it to you to finish finding h and D.

Then you've got:
[tex]y=(3x^x+2x+D)-D-1[/tex]
[tex]y=a(x-h)^2-D-1[/tex]
with whatever D value you have.

-Dan
 
y=3x^2+2x-1 into y=a(x-h)^2+K

ax^2-2ah+ah^2+k=3x^2-2x+ah^2-1

In going from the first line to the second, it looks quite screwed up.
 
Yea thanks Dan for your help I now clearly understand it..

Btw you that was a mistake with the -2 , what should have bee +2
 
thomasrules said:
Ok so can you please tell me where I go wrong here. I want to put
y=3x^2+2x-1 into y=a(x-h)^2+K

ax^2-2ah+ah^2+k=3x^2-2x+ah^2-1
This is where you went wrong: you want
[tex]ax^2- 2ah+ ah^2+ k= 3x^2- 3x-1[/tex]
not "ah2- 1".


ax^2=3x^2 -----> a=3
-2ahx=-2x
-2(3)hx=-2x ----->h=1/3
K=----->-1
No, ah2+ k= -1. Since a= 3 and h= 1/3, ah2= 1/3 and k= -1- 1/3= -4/3.

Therefore:

y=3(x-1/3)^2-1

But I think it's suppost to be: y=3(x+1/3)^2-4/3

Is that right? So what is wrong...
 

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