Correlation between size and mass of particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the potential correlation between the size of matter particles, defined in terms of their matter wavelength, and their mass. Participants explore the implications of the de Broglie wavelength and its relationship to particle properties, questioning the validity of using matter wavelength as a measure of particle size.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether there is a correlation between the size of matter particles and their mass, specifically referencing the inverse relationship observed with photons.
  • Others challenge the definition of "matter wavelength," questioning its relevance as a measure of particle size and suggesting that if it refers to the de Broglie wavelength, the formula should be checked.
  • It is noted that the de Broglie wavelength depends on the momentum of the particle rather than its mass, leading to further discussion about the implications of this relationship.
  • Some participants assert that elementary particles, such as electrons, are considered point-like and do not possess size, complicating the discussion of particle size in relation to mass.
  • There is a suggestion that the de Broglie wavelength can provide an indirect sense of a particle's size in relation to its mass, although this claim is met with skepticism and requests for clarification.
  • One participant expresses frustration, suggesting that the original question may not have a straightforward answer and questioning the direction of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correlation between size and mass of matter particles. Multiple competing views are presented, particularly regarding the definition of particle size and the relevance of the de Broglie wavelength.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions and assumptions regarding "matter wavelength" and its application to particle size. There is also an unresolved debate about the implications of the de Broglie wavelength in relation to mass and momentum.

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Is there a correlation between the size of a matter particle (defined as its matter wavelength) and the mass of the particle? With the photon, its wavelength and its energy/mass are inversely correlated. Is it also true of matter particles?
 
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Ranku said:
the size of a matter particle (defined as its matter wavelength

And what do you mean by "matter wavelength" and why should it be considered as particles size? If it's de Broglie wavelength then just check the formula for it.
 
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de Broglie wavelength depends on the momentum of the particle, not its mass.
 
weirdoguy said:
And what do you mean by "matter wavelength" and why should it be considered as particles size? If it's de Broglie wavelength then just check the formula for it.
How else to consider particle size?
 
Well, elementary particles (like electron) are considered to be point-like, that is, they don't have size.
 
weirdoguy said:
Well, elementary particles (like electron) are considered to be point-like, that is, they don't have size.
Since de Broglie wavelength = h/momentum = mass x velocity, that would give us an indirect sense of the ‘size‘ of the particle, in relation to its mass.
 
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Ranku said:
that would give us an indirect sense of the ‘size‘ of the particle.

How?

Ranku said:
de Broglie wavelength = momentum

Nope, that's not the formula, but you're close.
 
Thgis started out as a question with a simple answer - "there isn't one". Why are you (the OP) trying to morph this qu4estion into one with a different answer?
 
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