Cosmological principles and their results

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around cosmological principles, particularly the Copernican principle and its implications for observations of the universe. Participants explore the nature of observations made from different locations in the universe and the effects of isotropy and homogeneity on these observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the Copernican principle applies to an alien observer located 12 billion light years away, suggesting that they would see the same universe as observed from Earth.
  • Another participant clarifies that the Copernican principle does not imply identical observations, noting that the universe is isotropic only on large scales and that local observations can vary significantly.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that while the distribution of matter may be similar on cosmological scales, specific observations of objects separated by 12 billion years will differ due to the passage of time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Copernican principle and the nature of observations from different locations in the universe. There is no consensus on how these principles apply to specific observational scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of applying cosmological principles to specific observational contexts, including the dependence on the scale of observation and the effects of time on what is seen.

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I am studying cosmolgy and when I thougt about cosmological princples and copernic principle I thougth something.We are observing things and we see the past of objects.From the cosmolgycal principles (isotropy and homogeneity) all observers must see the universe same ,so let's suppose we observe a star 12 billion years ago than let's think there's a creature in that star.What will it see ?

Copernic principle says we are not special so that creature will see what I see same thing but this idea takes us a the universe is infinite . I am confused can somebody help me ?
 
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The copernican principle does not say that the alien will see exactly what you will see. The universe is only isotropic when you get to the multi-billion light-year scale. Under that it is very anisotropic. The copernican principle says that we here on Earth are not 'special', that we are not in a preferred frame of reference. Prior to modern astronomy and cosmology, it was thought that the Earth was the center of the universe, making us 'special' in that regards. Copernicus' heliocentric model of the solar system did away with that principle, since the Earth couldn't be the center of the universe if it was revolving around the Sun.

An alien located 12 billion light years away and looking in our direction in the 'now' would see our little area of the universe as it appeared 12 billion years ago. All they would see would be highly redshifted galaxies still in the process of forming.
 
What you see is 12 billion years old. What a local resident would see is 12 billion years more recent.

"Seeing the same thing" only means that on cosmological scales the distribution of matter is very similar, it certainly doesn't mean that observations of a particular object, taken 12billion years apart, would be the same.
 
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