Could Capacitor Arrays in Space Harvest Free Electrons from the Sun's Corona?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of using capacitor arrays in space to collect free electrons from the Sun's corona. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of this concept, including potential designs and implications for satellite propulsion systems.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that capacitor arrays could collect free electrons in mean free orbit, questioning the effectiveness of using open space dielectric constants between plates.
  • Concerns are raised about the mechanisms that would keep electrons on the plates and the necessity of a potential difference.
  • One participant references existing technology, suggesting that the open-faced design of the capacitor array could differ from traditional encased designs, potentially allowing for the collection of electrons for propulsion systems.
  • Another participant discusses the transient nature of ions and free electrons in space, noting that they tend to recombine and questioning the efficiency of electron collection.
  • Questions are posed regarding the potential for larger array plates to increase electron collection efficiency and the availability of data on the density of mean free electrons in space.
  • A participant provides detailed information about the temperature and particle density of the Sun's photosphere, chromosphere, and corona, highlighting the conditions that affect ionization and electron presence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and efficiency of collecting electrons with capacitor arrays. While some see potential in the concept, others raise significant concerns about the practical challenges and limitations involved. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various physical conditions, such as temperature and particle density, that may influence the effectiveness of electron collection. There are also mentions of existing technologies and theoretical frameworks that may or may not apply to the proposed concept.

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Could Capacitor Arrays in Space be used to collect free Electrons in mean free orbit?

If so, Could using Capacitors with open Space Dielectric constants between Plates be sufficient for building a Capacitor Space Array?

all plates exposed to open Space and no casing.:bugeye:

If you think it might work then I may have an idea for NASA on building a certain type of Satellite propulsion, Providing Free Electrons can be harvested from deep space as well.
 
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What would keep them on the plate? Where's the potential difference? etc?
 
moose said:
What would keep them on the plate? Where's the potential difference? etc?

Hi Moose.
I think that this question has already been answered by standard http://www.lbagroup.com/technology/vacuum.php" , I wouldn't want to re-invent the Wheel.:bugeye:

The only difference is the Capacitor Array would be open faced to Outer Space instead of encased and many Array Plates exposed to open space to collect Electrons if possible for extemely large EMP Bursts for a Specific Propulsion System onboard Satellites.
 
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Could Capacitor Arrays in Space be used to collect free Electrons in mean free orbit?
There is usually a postively charged nucleus nearby. Ions and free electrons are transient because + and - charges tend to recombine. The collision of high energy particles ionizes atoms, but an electron will sooner or later find an ion and recombine.
 
Astronuc said:
There is usually a postively charged nucleus nearby. Ions and free electrons are transient because + and - charges tend to recombine. The collision of high energy particles ionizes atoms, but an electron will sooner or later find an ion and recombine.

Hi Astronuc.

Does that mean that the efficiency of Collecting Electrons would be low or do you mean that it wouldn't work at all?

If the case was just low efficiency wouldn't using larger volume Array Plates make up for the low electron collection by increasing the collection area?

Is there any Data on the amount of mean free electrons per meter^3 in space starting at the Sun's outer Photosphere onwards out to Deep Space?
 
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The photosphere is quite cool at ~5800 K. That's the part that radiates visible slight. Just above the photosphere is the chromosphere, which is little hotter, and about that is the corona which has temperatures of several million K.

In the photosphere, there are a high proportion of neutrals due to recombination. Ionization of H requires energies of 13.6 eV (~158000 K), and even at that temperature, neutrals may momentarily exist until the next collision. The temperature in the chromosphere is on the order of 10,000-20,000 K, and the particle density is ~10 billion to 100 billion particles per cubic centimeter, vs air on earth, which as a density of something like 1019 molecules/cc. Still the corona has temperatures on the order of 1 million K.

In the part of the corona nearest the solar surface, the temperature is about 1 million to 6 million K, and the density is about 100 million to 1 billion particles per cubic centimeter. The temperature reaches tens of millions of Kelvins when a flare occurs.
NASA Worldbook (Sun)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona

http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/sun_worldbook.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/suncon.html#c1
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/sun/basics.html
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/

Solar Wind
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/solwin.html


One might investigate the Van Allen radiation belts - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_Belts
http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wradbelt.html
http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wmap.html
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node22.html
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/earth/magnetic.html
 
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