Could ever Pluto slam into Neptune?

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The discussion centers on the possibility of Pluto colliding with Neptune, exploring the dynamics of their orbits, potential perturbations, and the implications of orbital resonance. The scope includes theoretical considerations and orbital mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Pluto's orbit intersects with Neptune's, suggesting a potential for collision in the distant future.
  • Others reference a NASA source indicating that, despite the intersecting orbits, Pluto and Neptune will never collide under current conditions.
  • One participant notes that Pluto's orbital inclination prevents it from coming close to Neptune's actual orbital path, although they acknowledge that perturbations could alter this situation.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that natural precession of orbital nodes could lead to a scenario where Pluto's orbit crosses Neptune's at the same distance, potentially increasing the risk of collision.
  • However, it is also mentioned that Neptune's 3:2 orbital resonance with Pluto serves as a protective mechanism, ensuring that Pluto remains distant from Neptune during such crossings.

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Participants express differing views on the likelihood of a collision, with some asserting it is impossible under current conditions while others suggest that perturbations could change the dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions that could lead to a collision.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of orbital mechanics and the unresolved nature of the effects of perturbations on Pluto's orbit.

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Pluto's orbit intersects with Neptune's, so that may happen one day?
 
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According to a NASA site -
Despite the fact that Pluto and Neptune temporarily change places in their distance from the Sun, they will never collide.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970326c.html

Perhaps that would change with the right perturbation to Pluto's orbit. But then what would that be?
 
If I remember correctly it has to do with that even though Pluto passes within Neptune's orbit, due to Pluto's inclination it doesn't come anywhere near Neptune's actual orbital path.

*edit* But as Astronuc stated, a sufficient perturbation could change everything.
 
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The perturbation could just be the natural precession of the nodes. As an analogy, the nodes of Earth's moon rotate a full cycle every 18 years. Here's an animation:
http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/saros.GIF
All the planets have precessing nodes, even Earth which virtually has no nodes since its inclination is defined to be 0. The planets' nodes precess much slower than the nodes of Earth's moon (millions of years for a cycle is my guess). If Neptune's nodes and Pluto's nodes precess at different rates, then Pluto's nodes with respect to Neptune's orbital plane could one day cross Neptune's orbital plane at Neptune's orbital distance. Then Pluto's 17 degree difference with Neptune would no longer be an advantage.

But Neptune's 3:2 orbital resonance with Pluto will still protect Pluto from ever colliding. And it has a correction mechanism that keeps the resonance intact even in the presence of perturbations, ensuring that Pluto is never close to Neptune when it crosses Neptunes orbital plane. Here's is a page I made with an explanation and an animation:
http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/pluto.html
 

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