Could Jupiter Be a Failed Star?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of Jupiter and whether it could be considered a "failed star." Participants explore the formation processes of Jupiter, its chemical composition in relation to the Sun, and the implications of binary star systems. The conversation also touches on broader astronomical concepts, including the stability of orbital systems and the characteristics of liquid bodies in space.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Jupiter may be a "miniature companion star" due to its similar chemical composition to the Sun, though it lacks the mass necessary for nuclear fusion.
  • There is a discussion about the formation of Jupiter, with some theories favoring aggregation of material in the protoplanetary disk, while others advocate for gravitational collapse.
  • One participant questions the dynamics of dual-star systems, noting that typically one star has greater mass and orbits the other, while also raising the possibility of mass exchange between stars.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of liquid bodies in space, with participants discussing the conditions under which liquids could exist and the challenges posed by vacuum environments.
  • Participants debate the necessity of a massive central object in stable orbital systems, with some arguing that smaller objects can orbit a common center of mass without a dominant mass, while others disagree.
  • Mathematical considerations regarding the stability of globular clusters and their relaxation times are introduced, suggesting that these systems may not be stable indefinitely.
  • There is a correction regarding the mass required for a celestial body to ignite nuclear fusion, with one participant clarifying that a star needs about 8% of the Sun's mass, rather than the previously stated ratio.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of Jupiter as a failed star and the dynamics of binary star systems. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing theories and perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about mass, stability, and formation processes. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps related to the stability of gravitational systems.

  • #31
x8jason8x said:
I would guess that no super massive BH exists in the center of our universe, as the theories go, our universe is continually expanding.

There is no center of the universe in that sense. See here for more discussion.


I don't think that would be possible if even a medium size supernova occurred in our known universe, let alone a massive one in interstellar space.

Supermassive black holes are thought to form by the joining of smaller ones. Only black holes between 1 and 100 solar masses could plausibly form by the collapse of a star.
 
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  • #32
not to argue that at all, but doesn't there have to be a pivotal center somewhere, in some sense? I think personal belief dictates whether the universe is finite or infinite, and this may possibly factor in any hypothesis. I'm relatively new to cosmology (as I'm sure most can tell), so I'm just trying to establish fact from theories.
 
  • #33
in school they have these posters of the milky way, and in the centre it appears is a huge ball of light, so what is this, and why can't i see it every other night when i look out of my window?

or is this just a collection of stars around the centre?

or is it just what they use in high schools to not realize that nobody really knows what is in the centre?

PS: i meant the most massive and not the most dense, I've never used 'massive' as a technical term before
 
  • #34
x8jason8x said:
not to argue that at all, but doesn't there have to be a pivotal center somewhere, in some sense?

I know what you mean, but see here.
 
  • #35
hexhunter said:
in school they have these posters of the milky way, and in the centre it appears is a huge ball of light, so what is this, and why can't i see it every other night when i look out of my window?

The posters are probably drawings. We can't see to the center of the galaxy in visible light because there's too much dust in the way.


or is this just a collection of stars around the centre?

It is indeed.


or is it just what they use in high schools to not realize that nobody really knows what is in the centre?

There's also a supermassive black hole there, but it's too small and dark to see.
 
  • #36
SpaceTiger said:
The posters are probably drawings. We can't see to the center of the galaxy in visible light because there's too much dust in the way.

yep, just read that elsewhere, thanks for awnsering my n00by questions...
 
  • #37
Looking edge on from the outer disk makes that a difficult task. Only radio telescopes can effectively see through the haze between us and the MW center.
 

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