Could Quasars Be Alien Spacecraft?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the speculative idea that quasars could be alien spacecraft, as proposed by author Ben Bova. Participants explore the implications of this hypothesis, examining the nature of quasars and the evidence supporting their current scientific understanding, while also addressing the speculative nature of the claim.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Bova's idea that if aliens used antimatter for propulsion, the energy produced could manifest as quasars moving away from us, resulting in redshift.
  • Others argue that the claim is too speculative and question the validity of equating quasars with alien spacecraft.
  • One participant emphasizes that quasars are defined as energetic galaxies with active galactic nuclei, suggesting that the scientific understanding of quasars contradicts the notion of them being spacecraft.
  • Another participant points out the improbability of alien spacecraft having similar spectra to galaxies, questioning the plausibility of Bova's hypothesis.
  • There is mention of the spectra of quasars being comparable to those of nearby stars, and a reference to a presentation by Michael Strauss, a recognized figure in the field, to support this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of Bova's hypothesis, with some viewing it as speculative and unfounded, while others engage with the idea more openly. There is no consensus on the nature of quasars or the possibility of them being alien spacecraft.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the claims regarding alien life and the dependence on definitions of quasars and their spectra. The discussion does not resolve the scientific understanding of quasars versus the speculative claims made by Bova.

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I recently read a book by Ben Bova, an engineer and sci-fi writer. One of the topics he discussed is that of interstellar travel. He posited that if aliens used something like antimatter as propulsion for interstellar travel, we should be able to see them because of the large amount of energy that would be created. His explanation is that quasars could be alien spacecraft that are currently moving away from us near the speed of light resulting in the large redshift. He had a reasoning for craft moving toward us also but I don't recall that one. Anyway, he also mentioned that his idea could be disproved but only with some advanced knowledge of cosmology. Since I have no advanced knowledge of cosmology, I was wondering what you guys think of Bova's idea.
 
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Eh, this is way too speculative.

Let's address it this way: What are quasars, and how do we know?
 
"A quasi-stellar radio source (quasar) is a very energetic and distant galaxy with an active galactic nucleus" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar

You can't disprove this idea, because we have no knowledge whatsoever of alien life forms. I could claim that aliens inhabit the center of every star. I could claim that black holes are generated by aliens and are not natural. I could claim many things, Ben Bova could claim that quasars are alien spacecraft and we could not disprove that.
 
It would be one heck of a coincidence that alien spacecraft have similar spectra to galaxies. Here, let me show you.

http://cas.sdss.org/dr7/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=587742059987140666"

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Does that look like the spectrum of matter/antimatter annihilation to you?

getjpeg.aspx?ra=155.73178739&dec=18.79569984&scale=0.09903&width=512&height=512&opt=&query=.jpg


Does that look like a spaceship to you?
 
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Jack21222 said:
Does that look like the spectrum of matter/antimatter annihilation to you?

Perhaps you could elaborate?
 
Ivan, quasars, have spectra comparable to those of nearby stars. If you want, I will gladly link to a Michael Strauss presentation that explains this in much greater detail. Bright quasars cannot possibly be primordial objects unless the BB notions about hierarchical matter formation and the formation of heavier elements through supernova condensation and explosion are absolutely wrong.

BTW, Michael Strauss is the scientific spokesperson for the SDSS team, so he is not exactly a nut-case.
 

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