How small could a pusher-plate spacecraft be built?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of constructing a smaller pusher-plate spacecraft, inspired by the Orion project proposed by Dyson and his team in the 1950s. Participants explore the implications of modern advancements on the size and efficiency of such spacecraft, particularly in the context of using nuclear propulsion in a vacuum versus launching from Earth.

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  • Some participants suggest that while smaller spacecraft could theoretically be built, smaller nuclear devices may be less efficient, leading to questions about the practicality of miniaturization.
  • One participant inquires whether operating in a vacuum rather than launching from Earth would affect the efficiency of a pusher-plate spacecraft.
  • Another participant notes that the original designs for pusher-plate spacecraft were indeed intended for Earth-launch, and that nuclear weapons' effectiveness is not influenced by atmospheric pressure.
  • Historical context is provided regarding the original Orion project, including the ethical considerations of radiation exposure and the impact of the nuclear test-ban treaty on its development.
  • Concerns are raised about the current classification status of related research by the US government.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and practicality of smaller pusher-plate spacecraft, with no consensus reached on the implications of operating in a vacuum versus launching from Earth.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the historical context of the Orion project and the potential reclassification of its research, but there are unresolved questions regarding the efficiency of smaller designs and the implications of different launch environments.

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Hi All,
Not sure if this is the right section but happy if its moved by mods.

Back in the 50's Dyson and his team came up with the Orion pusher-plate spacecraft and the figures looked like it would work. Apparently it was shelved due to the nuclear testing treaty. Now in the style typical of the day they thought big so the craft would be like a flying house. What I want to know is given the advances today how small could we build a pusher-plate spacecraft ?

Many thanks for any replies.
 
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Everything will be possible, but smaller nukes are less efficient and smaller plates capture a smaller fraction of the explosion, so the concept becomes pointless if the spacecraft is not very large.
 
Thanks for your reply.

Given it would not be earth-launched but only used in the vacuum would this make a difference to the efficiency?
 
Arising_uk said:
Thanks for your reply.

Given it would not be earth-launched but only used in the vacuum would this make a difference to the efficiency?

Were nuclear-explosion-powered pusher-plate designs ever envisioned for Earth-launch?
 
Yup! Dyson, et al, had worked out the maths and physics and thought the couple of lives lost to radiation a fair price to pay for such a craft. The reason it was shelved was due to the signing of the nuclear test-ban treaty. Interestingly, and according to his son, the work now appears to be being reclassified as secret by the US govt?
 
Project Orion was planned to be launched from ground.

Nuclear weapons don't care about pressure outside, so the conclusion is independent of where you use them.
 

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