Could Solar Energy Beams Enable Interstellar Travel?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the concept of using solar energy beams for potential interstellar travel, focusing on theoretical propulsion systems and the feasibility of harnessing solar energy from satellites. Participants consider various approaches, including light sails and nuclear propulsion, while also touching on the implications of solar energy technology on Earth and space security.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose surrounding the sun with solar energy satellites to beam energy for propulsion, questioning if this could warp space enough for travel.
  • Others argue that the concept does not involve warping space but rather using a laser to propel a light sail, emphasizing that it is an engineering challenge rather than a theoretical one.
  • Concerns are raised about the immense energy requirements for warp drive and sublight propulsion, with some suggesting that nuclear fission or fusion could provide more reasonable travel times to nearby stars.
  • One participant mentions that the sun's energy output could theoretically support thousands of starships traveling at significant fractions of the speed of light.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for solar satellites to beam energy to Earth, which could reduce carbon emissions but also raises concerns about the weaponization of space.
  • A later reply introduces a perspective on the advancements in solar observation technology, suggesting that it could enhance our understanding of solar physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and implications of using solar energy for interstellar travel, with no clear consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed methods or the energy requirements involved. Multiple competing ideas and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about energy requirements and the physical principles involved in propulsion systems. The discussion includes unresolved technical details regarding the practicality of the proposed methods.

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Ever since I saw stephen hawkings universe doc's, I've been wondering about one creative scenario he presented.


surround our sun with solar energy satellites.
Draw and store the energy in the satellites.
satellites fire this energy in beams (synchronized) into
one satellite which then fires the combined energy in one beam through space.

Hypothetically, Do you think this could warp space enough for something to travel though behind the beam.


If you think this method would be unsuccessful, please feel free to discuss other theoretical, breakthough propultion systems ... vacuum energy? nuclear?

I'm almost certain that whatever the propultion type, it will involve 'farming' energy from stars
 
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Alcubierre has proposed a reasonable theory for warp drive, but, it requires an unimaginable amount of energy. The same is true for sublight propulsion. The energy required to travel even to the nearest star is also unimaginable.
 
rhyshanan said:
Hypothetically, Do you think this could warp space enough for something to travel though behind the beam.

There's no warping of space here. You just shine a massive laser at a light sail. The good part about this technique is that it's an engineering issue. It may be hundreds of years before you get all of the laser satellites together, but it doesn't rely on any new laws of physics.

If you think this method would be unsuccessful, please feel free to discuss other theoretical, breakthough propultion systems ... vacuum energy? nuclear?

There is a reason why beaming a light sail is an interesting idea. The big problem with rockets is that not only do you have to carry fuel to pull the payload, but you have to carry fuel to move the fuel, and then fuel to move the fuel to move the fuel. The problem is that with interstellar travel, you end up with a spaceship that is all fuel and no payload.
 
Chronos said:
Alcubierre has proposed a reasonable theory for warp drive, but, it requires an unimaginable amount of energy. The same is true for sublight propulsion. The energy required to travel even to the nearest star is also unimaginable.

Only unimaginable when comparing it to chemical energy. Nuclear fission or fusion allow not unreasonable trip times to the nearer stars for relatively small fuel masses. Only cramming up close to lightspeed requires Kardashev II scale efforts, but plausible arguments can be made for the eventual feasibility of that scale too. The Sun puts out ~4.3 million tons of energy per second, enough to launch thousands of starships to ~0.87c per year, even if we use but a fraction.

As for "warp drive" it probably allows arbitarily close-to-lightspeed travel (cf. Ursula LeGuin's Nearly-As-Fast-As-Light starships in her Hainish novels), but seems to run into intense Hawking-like radiation if it tries to achieve or exceed lightspeed. I suspect the Alcubierre metric will allow development of "space-drives" which can achieve rapid sub-light travel, but will prove unphysical for super-luminal configurations.
 
qraal said:
The Sun puts out ~4.3 million tons of energy per second, enough to launch thousands of starships to ~0.87c per year.

You just gave me an idea, what if solar satellites, orbiting the sun were able to send energy through beams down to powerplant on earth, wouldn't that cut carbon emissions?

it would also be a fine line to the weaponization of space, i suppose
 
rhyshanan said:
You just gave me an idea, what if solar satellites, orbiting the sun were able to send energy through beams down to powerplant on earth, wouldn't that cut carbon emissions?

it would also be a fine line to the weaponization of space, i suppose

Drop something from orbit fast enough and it's a pretty hefty weapon. Most solar power satellites use very diffuse power-beams thus are unlikely weapons. But any kind of directed energy device does have that liability, of possible misdirection for evil purposes. If we need such energy systems, then we'll develop security to match.
 
The solar satellite are useful, I have idea this my suggestion in that case, Madlahulika Guhatharkurta. lead of scientist in NASA telling that the "solar will observe the sun faster, deeper and in greater detail than any previous observatories," she said, "breaking barriers of space, time and clarity that have long blocked progress in solar physics."
 

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