Counterexample intersections of 2 compacts is compact ?

In summary, the counterexample to "intersections of 2 compacts is compact" is that if A and B are compact subsets of a topological space X, then A \cap B is not compact.
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Counterexample "intersections of 2 compacts is compact"?

Hello,

I'm looking for a counterexample to "If A and B are compact subsets of a topological space X, then [itex]A \cap B[/itex] is compact." It's not for homework.

I found one online, but it talked about "double-pointed" things which I didn't understand... My knowledge is an introductory course in topology: the first four chapters of Munkres.

I realize I have to look for a non-Hausdorff space, but the only one I know
--if I remember correctly--is the cofinite topology (or the related Zariski topology, but I'm not too familiar with that one).
 
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Here's an example:

Take the circle with a doubled point. I.e. the circle with a disjoint point for which the topology can't distinguish the point [edit: I should probably elaborate this- take the circle with a disjoint point added. The topology is just the same as that of a regular circle but where the open sets are just the same as that as the circle but where we include the "doubled point" whenever its partner is in the open set).

Take the following compact sets: the circle minus one of the doubled points, and the circle minus the other point. Each is homeo to a circle, so compact, but their intersection is equal to a circle with a point missing, not compact.
 
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I'll formalize the above comment:

The line with two origins can be defined as follows:

Take in [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex] the set

[tex]Y=\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2~\vert~y=0\}\cup\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2~\vert~y=1\}[/tex]

(so this is just the union of two lines). Define the following equivalence relation on Y:

We set [itex](x,y)\sim (x,y)[/itex] and if [itex]x\neq 0[/itex], then we also set [itex](x,0)\sim (x,1)[/itex] (and of course [itex](x,1)\sim (x,0)[/itex]). So we define all the points above each other except (0,0) and (0,1).

The set [itex]Y/\sim[/itex] is the double-pointed line.
 
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Thank you both :)
 
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I wonder, is there also a counterexample that is T1?
 
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mr. vodka said:
I wonder, is there also a counterexample that is T1?

That counterexample IS T1.
 
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Haha, of course, I'm sorry. Thanks again.
 
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I like both mine and micromasses formulation of what "doubled points" are.

In mine, all the open sets are the same but include only the special point "as a pair". It's sort of like an extra ghost point which can't be separated from its friend, they always come as a pair. If (if being strong here, this probably can't be made formal) it could be made into a metric space, then the new point would be distance zero from the old one [actually, maybe this can be made precise, it will be a pseudo-metric space I think i.e. distinct points are allowed to be distance zero from each other.]

Micromasse's formulation gives the same topology but in this way you are viewing things possibly a little more geometrically. If you imagine sitting on his line, then everywhere away from the "doubled point" it just looks like the line. As you approach the "doubled point" (perhaps in a continuous path) then in some way a choice of either doubled point is immaterial - both in some way "limit" to the correct place on the line, and if you were heading down a continuous path on the line, then whenever you had one of your doubled points, you could pick the other one instead with no trouble of continuity.
 

1. What is a counterexample?

A counterexample is an example or situation that disproves a statement or theory. In other words, it shows that the statement or theory is not always true.

2. What does it mean for a set to be compact?

A set is compact if it is both closed (contains all of its limit points) and bounded (has finite distance between its points). In other words, it is a finite and closed set.

3. Can you provide an example of a counterexample for the statement "intersections of 2 compact sets is compact"?

Yes, consider the sets [0, 1] and [1, 2] in the real number line. Both sets are compact, but their intersection is the singleton set {1}, which is not compact.

4. Why is the statement "intersections of 2 compact sets is compact" not always true?

This statement is not always true because the intersection of two compact sets may result in a set that is not closed or not bounded, thus not meeting the criteria for a compact set.

5. How does this concept of counterexample relate to the study of mathematics and science?

Counterexamples are important in mathematics and science because they help us understand the limitations of certain theories or statements. By finding a counterexample, we can refine our understanding and potentially discover new insights and theories.

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