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The discussion revolves around finding a counterexample to the statement that the intersection of two compact subsets in a topological space is compact. Participants explore examples in non-Hausdorff spaces and discuss the properties of specific topological constructions.

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  • One participant seeks a counterexample to the claim regarding compact intersections, noting their familiarity with introductory topology.
  • Another participant presents an example involving a circle with a doubled point, explaining that the intersection of two compact sets results in a non-compact set.
  • A formal definition of the line with two origins is provided, illustrating a specific construction that leads to the counterexample.
  • Some participants discuss the properties of the counterexample, questioning whether it can be classified as T1.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of "doubled points" and how they can be understood in different topological contexts.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and interpretation of the counterexamples. There is no consensus on the existence of a T1 counterexample, though one participant asserts that the previously mentioned counterexample is indeed T1.

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Some discussions involve informal definitions and conceptual explorations that may lack formal rigor. The nature of "doubled points" is described in different ways, indicating potential ambiguities in understanding.

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Counterexample "intersections of 2 compacts is compact"?

Hello,

I'm looking for a counterexample to "If A and B are compact subsets of a topological space X, then [itex]A \cap B[/itex] is compact." It's not for homework.

I found one online, but it talked about "double-pointed" things which I didn't understand... My knowledge is an introductory course in topology: the first four chapters of Munkres.

I realize I have to look for a non-Hausdorff space, but the only one I know
--if I remember correctly--is the cofinite topology (or the related Zariski topology, but I'm not too familiar with that one).
 
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Here's an example:

Take the circle with a doubled point. I.e. the circle with a disjoint point for which the topology can't distinguish the point [edit: I should probably elaborate this- take the circle with a disjoint point added. The topology is just the same as that of a regular circle but where the open sets are just the same as that as the circle but where we include the "doubled point" whenever its partner is in the open set).

Take the following compact sets: the circle minus one of the doubled points, and the circle minus the other point. Each is homeo to a circle, so compact, but their intersection is equal to a circle with a point missing, not compact.
 


I'll formalize the above comment:

The line with two origins can be defined as follows:

Take in [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex] the set

[tex]Y=\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2~\vert~y=0\}\cup\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2~\vert~y=1\}[/tex]

(so this is just the union of two lines). Define the following equivalence relation on Y:

We set [itex](x,y)\sim (x,y)[/itex] and if [itex]x\neq 0[/itex], then we also set [itex](x,0)\sim (x,1)[/itex] (and of course [itex](x,1)\sim (x,0)[/itex]). So we define all the points above each other except (0,0) and (0,1).

The set [itex]Y/\sim[/itex] is the double-pointed line.
 


Thank you both :)
 


I wonder, is there also a counterexample that is T1?
 


mr. vodka said:
I wonder, is there also a counterexample that is T1?

That counterexample IS T1.
 


Haha, of course, I'm sorry. Thanks again.
 


I like both mine and micromasses formulation of what "doubled points" are.

In mine, all the open sets are the same but include only the special point "as a pair". It's sort of like an extra ghost point which can't be separated from its friend, they always come as a pair. If (if being strong here, this probably can't be made formal) it could be made into a metric space, then the new point would be distance zero from the old one [actually, maybe this can be made precise, it will be a pseudo-metric space I think i.e. distinct points are allowed to be distance zero from each other.]

Micromasse's formulation gives the same topology but in this way you are viewing things possibly a little more geometrically. If you imagine sitting on his line, then everywhere away from the "doubled point" it just looks like the line. As you approach the "doubled point" (perhaps in a continuous path) then in some way a choice of either doubled point is immaterial - both in some way "limit" to the correct place on the line, and if you were heading down a continuous path on the line, then whenever you had one of your doubled points, you could pick the other one instead with no trouble of continuity.
 

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