Counting Cosets in Abstract Algebra | Pinter's Self Study

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The discussion revolves around the concept of counting cosets in the context of Abstract Algebra, specifically from Pinter's textbook. Participants explore the properties of cosets formed by a subgroup within a group, addressing the relationship between the number of elements in the group, the subgroup, and the resulting cosets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the number of elements in a group G and the number of cosets formed by a subgroup H, suggesting that each element of G contributes to a coset.
  • Another participant questions whether two different elements of G necessarily lead to two different cosets, using specific examples from the group and subgroup.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the cosets formed by elements of H are indeed the same, as multiplying an element of H by another element of H results in an element still within H.
  • Participants acknowledge a misunderstanding regarding the equality of the number of cosets and the number of elements in G, indicating that there may be a fundamental concept that is not fully grasped.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and confusion regarding the counting of cosets and their relationship to the elements of G. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of these relationships, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential missing assumptions about the nature of cosets and the properties of subgroups, which may contribute to the confusion. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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Hi,
I am doing self study of Abstract Algebra from Pinter.
My doubt is regarding Chap 13 Counting Cosets:
A coset contains all products of the form "ah" where a belongs to G and h belongs to H where H is a subgroup of G. So each coset should contain the number of elements in H. Now the number of cosets should be the number of elements in G since each element of G is used to construct a coset. So the number of elements in all cosets should be number of elements in G*Number of elements in H - But the family of cosets is a partition of G and should have the same number of elements of G... there is definitely something wrong in the second-third line of this argument... but I am not able to pin it down
 
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sdembi said:
Hi,
Now the number of cosets should be the number of elements in G since each element of G is used to construct a coset.

Do two different elements of G necessarily construct two different cosets ?

For example, suppose the two elements of G are h1, h2 and that h_1 \in H and h_2 \in H.
 
Thanks - The coset of h1 would be the set of elements h1*h and that of h2 would be h2*h for all h belonging to H - Not sure why they should not be different.
I am not able to understand why the number of cosets should not be equal to the number of elements in the set G. Am sure I'm missing something very basic.
 
If h \in H then the coset hH = H. If you multiply an element of a subgroup by another element in the subgroup then the product is in the subgroup.
 
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Understood - Thanks a ton...
 

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