What is an Initial Segment here?: Reidemeister-Schreier Method

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Bacle
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Initial Method
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the Reidemeister-Schreier method for finding a presentation of a subgroup H of a group G, specifically addressing the concept of an "initial segment" within a Schreier transversal T. Participants clarify that the initial segment refers to the property that every initial segment of an element of T must also belong to T, implying an underlying ordering in T. The conversation also touches on the implications of infinite index subgroups and the application of the Well-Ordering Principle in this context, as well as connections to the Todd-Coxeter method and Fox calculus.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of group theory and subgroup presentations
  • Familiarity with the Reidemeister-Schreier method
  • Knowledge of Schreier transversals and coset partitions
  • Basic concepts of well-ordering and the Well-Ordering Principle
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the Reidemeister-Schreier method in detail
  • Explore the Todd-Coxeter method for finding Schreier transversals
  • Investigate the application of the Well-Ordering Principle in group theory
  • Learn about Fox calculus and its relation to segments of words in free groups
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, particularly those specializing in group theory, algebraists, and anyone interested in subgroup presentations and the Reidemeister-Schreier method.

Bacle
Messages
656
Reaction score
1
Hi, everyone:

I am reading an article on the Reidemeister-Schreier
method for finding a presentation of a subgroup H of
a group G, given a presentation for G , in which this
statement is made:

A Schreier transversal of a subgroup H of F, free with
basis X, is a subset T of F such that for distinct
t in T, the cosets Ht are distinct, and the union of
the Ht is F, and such that ...

** every initial segment of an element of T itself
belongs to T **

Now, I understand that the cosets of H in G
partition G, and we select a subset T of G so that
Ht=/Ht' for t,t' in T, and \/Ht =G , but I have no
idea of what an initial segment would mean in this
context; are we assuming there is some sort of ordering
in T; maybe inherited from G ,or are we using
Well-Ordering Principle some how?

I thought we may have been considering the case where H
has infinite index in G, so that we assign a well-ordering in G
so that we can use Choice to select the least element g
representing the class Hg (i.e., all g_i in G with Hg_i=Hg ), but
I am not too clear on this.

Thanks for Any Ideas.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I assume it is either simply a word in ##F(T)## or it refers to the enumeration process how to find a Schreier transversal by the Todd-Coxeter method. Cp. http://cocoa.dima.unige.it/conference/cocoa2013/posters/YvonneKaroske.pdf
I also found under "Fox calculus" an example where a differential operator ##F(T)\longrightarrow \mathbb{Z}(F(T))## was defined in a way that uses segments of words in ##F(T)##.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K