Counting Number of Possible Hand Gestures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the number of possible hand gestures, defined as combinations of raising one or both hands and extending fingers. Participants explore various approaches, including combinatorial reasoning and restrictions on finger extensions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a calculation method involving combinations of fingers raised on one or both hands, initially suggesting a formula of 3*5.
  • Another participant details the calculation for gestures involving a single hand, stating that for k fingers, the number of gestures is represented by the binomial coefficient 5Ck, leading to a total of 32 gestures for one hand.
  • A participant expresses a subjective view on the infinite ways to express gestures with hands, indicating a more qualitative perspective.
  • One participant introduces specific restrictions on gestures, questioning how to account for gestures that do not allow the extension of the ring finger without the middle finger being extended, and the prohibition of extending the middle finger alone.
  • This participant notes the complexity of counting combinations under these restrictions and expresses uncertainty about finding a simpler mathematical solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the total number of gestures, especially with the introduced restrictions. Multiple competing views and approaches remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of gestures and the counting methods are not fully articulated. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps, particularly regarding the restrictions on finger extensions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in combinatorial mathematics, gesture recognition, or those exploring mathematical modeling of physical expressions may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi All,

I'm terribly stuck on this problem. We were asked to calculate how many hand gestures are possible, keeping in mind that a hand gesture consists of raising one or both hands and extending some fingers (note: raising just a fist is also considered a gesture). I started this problem by thinking of doing 3*5 (representing 1 finger raised on right, left or both hands) * 3*((5|10)) but something seems off. My professor suggested looking at Pascal's Triangle, but I'm not sure where to go from there. Any suggested would be so helpful! Thanks!
 
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let's just look at the possible gestures involving a single hand.

each gesture might involve 0 - 5 fingers.

for 0 fingers, there is one possible gesture ("the fist").

for 1 finger, there are 5 possible gestures (assuming we count the "thumb" as a finger)

in general, for k fingers there are 5 choose k (i will write this as 5Ck).

the general formula for this is 5!/(k!(5-k)!).

for 5C3, this is 120/(6*2) = 10, for example.

so we have: 5C0 + 5C1 + 5C2 + 5C3 + 5C4 + 5C5 gestures

that is, 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 5 + 1 = 32 (this is the sum of the 5th row of pascal's triangle).

i think you can take it from here...
 
I like to think I'm capable of expressing myself using my hands in an infinite number of ways.
 
How many gestures with the restriction that you cannot extend a ring finger unless you also extend the middle finger next to it?

How many gestures with the restriction that you may not extend the middle finger alone on either hand?


I can get the numbers for 0,1,2,8,9,10 fingers for each by writing out combinations but I can't come up with a simpler mathematical solution for anything in the middle. It just seems like there's too many cases to consider for each. But perhaps I'm overthinking it.
 

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