Cousin's Perspective: No Longer American

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the cultural and political perceptions of Americans from the perspective of individuals living abroad, particularly in France. Participants explore themes of identity, political diversity, and the impact of media on international views of American culture and politics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that individuals living abroad, like the cousin mentioned, may lose touch with the complexities of American culture and politics, leading to oversimplified views.
  • There is a suggestion that the world might respect the US more if it were better informed about the diversity of American political viewpoints and struggles.
  • Some argue that incidents like Qur'an burning can shape negative perceptions of America, with one participant noting that such actions do not represent the entirety of American culture.
  • Others highlight that the response to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars was more reserved than perceived globally, with some suggesting that there was a readiness for broader military action post-9/11.
  • Participants discuss the challenges faced by Americans abroad in reconciling their identity with the actions of their government and the media portrayal of American politics.
  • There is a mention of the cultural differences between American and French political perspectives, with some noting that what may seem like significant differences could be perceived as minor nuances by others.
  • One participant reflects on the struggles of a Canadian citizen navigating US immigration processes, illustrating the complexities of cross-border relationships.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a lack of understanding of the diversity within American political culture, but multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of this lack of understanding and how it affects international perceptions.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the nuances of freedom of speech and its implications in different cultural contexts, as well as the varying perceptions of political ideologies between countries.

  • #61
Ivan Seeking said:
My dad once told me how, as kids, his side of the block was always at war the kids on the other side of the block. Why? Because THEY were on the other side of the block.

Personal bias seems to be common to borders. Here in this part of Oregon, there is a long-standing Oregon vs California thing going.

In Eastern Washington, we like to think we're better than those redneck Idahoans to the east. We also like to think that we're better than those snobby rain-loving snow-fearing Starbucks-loving wimpy Seattelites to the West. It works out somehow.

Is that the sort of thing you meant?
 
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  • #62
Mathnomalous said:
*We are also tired of paying $800/mo for a crap apartment*

LOL. Good luck solving that problem by moving to France. Ever been outside the States?

Typical American.
 
  • #63
Char. Limit said:
In Eastern Washington, we like to think we're better than those redneck Idahoans to the east. We also like to think that we're better than those snobby rain-loving snow-fearing Starbucks-loving wimpy Seattelites to the West. It works out somehow.

Is that the sort of thing you meant?
I'm beginning to think that there's something wrong with the people in the other cubicals at work. :rolleyes:

LOL on the signature, Char. Now everyone will think that I'm a politician. :smile:
 

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