Covering a slit in a diffraction grating - what happens?

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The discussion revolves around a diffraction grating with 1000 slits, specifically examining the effects of covering the centermost slit on the angular width between maxima and minima, denoted as δθ. Participants explore how this alteration impacts the diffraction pattern and the resulting intensity distribution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants consider whether covering a single slit significantly affects the overall diffraction pattern, with some suggesting that it may not have a large impact due to the high number of slits. Others question the implications of covering the central slit versus others and discuss the mathematical relationships involved in calculating the new angular width.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various participants proposing different mathematical approaches to understand the changes in the diffraction pattern. Some have attempted to derive new expressions for intensity and angular displacement, while others express uncertainty about the implications of their calculations. There is no clear consensus on the effects of covering the slit, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is part of a homework assignment worth 10 marks, which may imply a need for a thorough understanding of the underlying physics rather than a straightforward calculation. There are also discussions about the assumptions made regarding the contributions of the covered slit relative to the total number of slits.

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Homework Statement



For an N = 1000 slit diffraction grating, the distance from a maxima to a minima at order p is given by:

\delta \theta = \frac{\lambda}{Np}

The centremost ##\frac{N}{2}## slit is covered, what happens to this width?

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I'm tempted to say to think that one slit won't make a difference if N is large like 1000 slits. Physically, that would make the ##\frac{N}{2}-1## and ##\frac{N}{2} +1## slits have double the separation.

I have never come across any question quite like this, so I am at a loss.
 
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Just one slit is covered, or the central half?
A single slit won't make a large difference, half of them could.
 
mfb said:
Just one slit is covered, or the central half?
A single slit won't make a large difference, half of them could.

Just the centermost slit. I'm asked to find what happens to ##\delta \theta##, the width from the maxima to the next minima. I'm given 10 marks to work out the ratio between ##\frac{\delta \theta\space '}{\delta \theta}##.
 
mfb said:
Just one slit is covered, or the central half?
A single slit won't make a large difference, half of them could.

I think I might have solved it.
I'm subtracted the diffraction pattern with the pattern produced just by that slit alone to find the new pattern.

Without covering the slit, we have the usual diffraction:

u = u_0 e^{i(kz-\omega t)} \space \frac{1- e^{iN\delta}}{1- e^{i\delta}} = u_0 e^{i(kz-\omega t)} e^{i(\frac{N}{2}\delta - \frac{\delta}{2})} \frac{sin \left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right)}{sin \left( \frac{\delta}{2}\right)}

After covering the slit, we simply have:

u = u_0 \left[e^{i(kz-\omega t)} e^{i(\frac{N}{2}\delta - \frac{\delta}{2})} \frac{sin \left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right)}{sin \left( \frac{\delta}{2}\right)}\space - \space e^{i(\frac{N\delta}{2})}\right]

The intensity is given by ##I \propto uu^*##:

I = I_0 \left[ \frac{sin^2 \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin^2\left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} \space -2 cos\left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right) \frac{sin \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin \left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} + 1 \right]

To find ##I_0##, simply substitute in ##\delta = 0##. We know that the central intensity is proportional to ##N^2## where N is number of slits, so we would expect ##I_0 = (N-1)^2## here.

Substituting ##\delta = 0##, we have ##I \propto (N^2 -2N + 1) = (N-1)^2##, so it is satisfied!

Assuming wave is normalized,

I = (N-1)^2 \left[ \frac{sin^2 \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin^2\left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} \space -2 cos\left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right) \frac{sin \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin \left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} + 1 \right]

Maximas still occur at ##d sin \theta = n\lambda##, with intensity ##(N-1)^2##.

Minimas (non-zero intensity) now occur at ##\frac{N\delta}{2} = \frac{n\pi}{2}##. So minimas are at ##d sin \theta = \frac{n}{N}(\frac{\lambda}{2})##.

Comparing it to the uncovered case, this implies that ##\delta \theta \space ' = \frac{1}{2} \delta \theta##.
 
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You don't double the width just by covering one slit. To subtract the contributions from the 1000 slits and the single slit, you have to take into account the relative intensity, as it differs by a factor of 1000.
 
mfb said:
You don't double the width just by covering one slit. To subtract the contributions from the 1000 slits and the single slit, you have to take into account the relative intensity, as it differs by a factor of 1000.

I subtracted the angular displacement:

u = u_0 \left[e^{i(kz-\omega t)} e^{i(\frac{N}{2}\delta - \frac{\delta}{2})} \frac{sin \left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right)}{sin \left( \frac{\delta}{2}\right)}\space - \space e^{i(\frac{N\delta}{2})}\right]

There should be a prefactor of ##\frac{1}{r}##, but we asume that the distances are large so ##r## doesn't vary with angle.
 
There should be a prefactor of 1000 as the first comes from 1000 slits and the second just from one.
 
mfb said:
There should be a prefactor of 1000 as the first comes from 1000 slits and the second just from one.

So It should be:

u = u_0 \left[e^{i(kz-\omega t)} e^{i(\frac{N}{2}\delta - \frac{\delta}{2})} \frac{sin \left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right)}{sin \left( \frac{\delta}{2}\right)}\space - \frac{1}{1000}\space e^{i(\frac{N\delta}{2})}\right]

= I = I_0 \left[ \frac{sin^2 \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin^2\left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} \space - 2\frac{1}{10^6} cos\left(\frac{\delta (2N+1)}{2})\right) \frac{sin \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin \left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} + \frac{1}{10^6} \right]
 
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How did you expand the small term, where does the sine come from and why does it have an N? The single slit does not "know" about the total number of slits.
I would expect a slight shift in the position of the minima - when the sine is zero, the cosine is not zero and the other sine should look different.
 
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mfb said:
How did you expand the small term, where does the sine come from and why does it have an N? The single slit does not "know" about the total number of slits.
I would expect a slight shift in the position of the minima - when the sine is zero, the cosine is not zero and the other sine should look different.

To find the intensity:

I \propto uu* = u_0^2 \left[e^{-i(kz-\omega t)} e^{-i(\frac{N}{2}\delta - \frac{\delta}{2})} \frac{sin \left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right)}{sin \left( \frac{\delta}{2}\right)}\space - \frac{1}{1000}\space e^{-i(\frac{N\delta}{2})}\right] \left[e^{i(kz-\omega t)} e^{i(\frac{N}{2}\delta - \frac{\delta}{2})} \frac{sin \left(\frac{N\delta}{2}\right)}{sin \left( \frac{\delta}{2}\right)}\space - \frac{1}{1000}\space e^{i(\frac{N\delta}{2})}\right]

= I = I_0 \left[ \frac{sin^2 \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin^2\left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} \space - 2\frac{1}{10^6} cos\left(\frac{\delta (2N+1)}{2})\right) \frac{sin \left( \frac{N\delta}{2} \right)}{sin \left(\frac{\delta}{2}\right)} + \frac{1}{10^6} \right]

Now we see that if ##\frac{N\delta}{2} = n\pi##, the intensity is no longer zero, but ##I_0\frac{1}{10^6}##. Thus the minimum has shifted by a bit. How do I find the extent of the shift?
 
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You can try to find the derivative of the intensity with respect to the position.
 
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mfb said:
You can try to find the derivative of the intensity with respect to the position.

I used small angles above to determine the shift (see above), do you think that's right?
 
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Man, you're way over my head. Why isn't it just:
δΘ'/δΘ = (λ/(2N'p)) / (λ/(2Np)) = N/N' = 1000/999 ~ 1.001 ?
hard to believe the given equation is accurate to 1 ppk...
 
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abitslow said:
Man, you're way over my head. Why isn't it just:
δΘ'/δΘ = (λ/(2N'p)) / (λ/(2Np)) = N/N' = 1000/999 ~ 1.001 ?
hard to believe the given equation is accurate to 1 ppk...

because it is a 10 mark question.
 
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mfb said:
You can try to find the derivative of the intensity with respect to the position.

I think there's a simpler way..
 
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unscientific said:
I used small angles above to determine the shift (see above), do you think that's right?
Sure, all angles are small.

I'm not sure if it works without finding the derivative.

abitslow said:
Man, you're way over my head. Why isn't it just:
δΘ'/δΘ = (λ/(2N'p)) / (λ/(2Np)) = N/N' = 1000/999 ~ 1.001 ?
hard to believe the given equation is accurate to 1 ppk...
It would be that easy if a slit on the side would get covered. I'm not sure a slit in the middle gives the same result.
 
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mfb said:
Sure, all angles are small.

I'm not sure if it works without finding the derivative.

It would be that easy if a slit on the side would get covered. I'm not sure a slit in the middle gives the same result.

Differentiating it would be a huge mess and I'm not even sure if it will produce any result.
 

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