CR Equations: Real & Imaginary Parts Satisfy Cont. & Diff.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between complex differentiability and the Cauchy-Riemann equations, particularly focusing on the conditions under which the real and imaginary parts of a complex function are continuous and harmonic. Participants explore the implications of these conditions and the distinction between complex differentiability and holomorphic functions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that complex differentiability at a point implies the Cauchy-Riemann equations are satisfied at that point, but questions why this is not bidirectional without continuity of partial derivatives in a neighborhood.
  • Another participant argues that to conclude a function is infinitely complex differentiable, it must be analytic in a neighborhood, not just at a single point.
  • A counterexample is provided where a function is complex differentiable at a point but fails to be holomorphic in a neighborhood, thus challenging the proposed equivalence of conditions.
  • Some participants clarify that the equivalence holds if the function is holomorphic, not merely complex differentiable, and that harmonicity of the partial derivatives is not guaranteed without holomorphicity.
  • One participant mentions a specific function, f(z)=|z|^2, to illustrate that the Cauchy-Riemann equations can be satisfied at a point without the partial derivatives being harmonic in a neighborhood.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of complex differentiability versus holomorphicity, with some agreeing that continuity of partial derivatives is essential for harmonicity, while others provide counterexamples that illustrate the nuances in these relationships. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the equivalence of the proposed conditions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for continuity of partial derivatives in a neighborhood for certain implications to hold, and the distinction between complex differentiability at a point versus holomorphicity in a region.

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Complex differentiable <--> real and imaginary parts satisfy C-R eqns and are cont.

Say we have a complex function f(z) we can break this into real and imaginary parts:

f(z)=u(x,y)+iv(x,y)In my book I am told the following:(1) f complex differentiable at z0 in ℂ --> the Cauchy Reimann equations are satisfied by the partials of u and v at z0I am also told separately:(2) For some z0 in ℂ, if the partials of u and v exist and are continuous on an open set containing z0 and they satisfy the Cauchy Reimann equatiions, then f is complex differentiable at z0Why isn't this an iff thing? It seems like the only thing keeping it from being bidiriectional is the fact that in (2) I also have to check that the partials are continuous on an open set O containing z0. But this is where my doubt arises. I am also told in my book:(3) If u and v satisfy the Cauchy Reimann equations at z0 for some neighborhood O containingi z0, then u and v are both harmonic in O. Since being harmonic requires establishing an equality between the second partial derivatives, isn't such a thing only possible if the first partial derivatives are continuous (as continuity is a essential for differentiability)? So how if u and v are harmonic shouldn't their first partials be continuous? If (1) gaurantees the Cauchy Reimann equations are satisfied which allows me to invoke (3), then doesn't (1) also gaurantee that the partials are continuous? So why can't I simply say f is differentiable at z0 in ℂ ⇔ it's real and imaginary components have partial derivatives continuous on an open set O containing z0 and these partials satisfy the Cauchy Reimann equations. Why does this need to be broken into two separate theorems?SIDE QUESTION: I know that if a complex function f is differentiable at z0 it is actually infinitely differentiable there. But are it's real and imaginary parts also infinitely differentiable? I am just getting so confused separating what I can infer about the complex function and what I can infer about its real and imaginary parts which are functions of real variables.
 
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To conclude that f(z) is infinitely complex differentiable at a point z0 and that its real and imaginary parts have continuous partial derivatives of all orders in a neighborhood of z0, it is not sufficient to assume that f(z) is complex differentiable at z0, but we need to assume that this complex differentiability hold for all points in a neighborhood of z0, which is the same as saying that f is analytic (or holomorphic) at z0.

In your proposed equivalence, you must therefore not talk only about a single point z0, but about all points in some region in C.

For example, if we put f(z)=z^2 if |z| is rational and 0 otherwise, then f'(0) exists and is 0 at 0, and the first order partial derivatives of the real and imaginary parts of f exist and satisfy the Cauchy-Riemann equtaions at 0 (they are all 0 there), but your proposed theorem fails there, for the partial derivatives do not exist at any point other than 0, and furthermore, f is not complex differentiable or even continuous at any other point and f is only complex differentiable one time at 0.
Your proposed theorem therefore fails for this f, but the original implication that complex differentiability at a point implies Cauchy-Riemann at that point is true also for this f.
 
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ok, I think I see where I was going wrong. So in (3) that I had posted originally, this is the condition where the partials satisfy the C-R equations throughout a neighborhood containing z0, which means they are continuous in that neighborhood and f is holomorphic at z0. So the equivalence holds if f is holomorphic at z0, not simply complex differentiable.


FUrthermore, it seems you can have a function f that is complex differentiable at z0, so the C-R equations are satisfied at z0, but the partials are not necessarily harmonic. This happens when f is complex differentiable at z0 but not holomorphic at z0
 


fleazo said:
ok, I think I see where I was going wrong. So in (3) that I had posted originally, this is the condition where the partials satisfy the C-R equations throughout a neighborhood containing z0, which means they are continuous in that neighborhood and f is holomorphic at z0. So the equivalence holds if f is holomorphic at z0, not simply complex differentiable.


FUrthermore, it seems you can have a function f that is complex differentiable at z0, so the C-R equations are satisfied at z0, but the partials are not necessarily harmonic. This happens when f is complex differentiable at z0 but not holomorphic at z0

Take f(z)=|z|^2 = x^2+y^2 .

Then u_x=2x ; u_y=2y ; v_x=0=v_y , u_x(0)=v_y ; u_y(0)=v_x , and

u_xx=2 =u_yy.
 

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