Creating a Laser with Different Types of Radiance

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating lasers using different types of radiance, including infrared (IR), ultraviolet (UV), visible light, and microwaves. Participants explore the theoretical framework of a three-level system and the conditions necessary to achieve population inversion for laser operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that lasers can be created with any type of radiance, referencing existing technologies like masers for microwaves.
  • There is a question about how to avoid absorption from level 1 to level 2 in a three-level system, with suggestions that choosing appropriate atoms or molecules may help.
  • One participant mentions the concept of electromagnetically induced transparency (EIT) and other quantum phenomena that might suppress transitions to certain levels.
  • Concerns are raised about the current state of masers, particularly regarding their range and tunability compared to lasers.
  • Participants inquire whether population inversion can be achieved with various types of incident light and if there are limitations associated with this process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capabilities and limitations of using various radiance types for laser creation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and limitations for achieving population inversion across different frequency ranges.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the historical context of masers as predecessors to lasers, but there is uncertainty about the current advancements in maser technology. Additionally, the discussion highlights the complexity of achieving population inversion and the dependence on specific energy level arrangements.

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Hello,

Can we make a laser with any type of radiance (IR,UV,visible,microwave,..) ? If we consider a three level system for example.
In such a system, how can we avoid absorption from level 1 to level 2 ? Is it by choosing atoms/molecules in which the level 2 is greater than the fundamental ?

Thank you !
 
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hiltac said:
Hello,

Can we make a laser with any type of radiance (IR,UV,visible,microwave,..) ? If we consider a three level system for example.
In such a system, how can we avoid absorption from level 1 to level 2 ? Is it by choosing atoms/molecules in which the level 2 is greater than the fundamental ?

Thank you !
I'm not an experimentalist, but from what I know the available range of laser frequencies is quite high in the optical region. Not sure about the microwave regime, though.

As for the three level system, how are the three levels arranged? There are some cases where you can get electromagnetically induced transparency (EIT) or other quantum phenomena where transitions to a given level will be suppressed. Look up also STIRAP.
 
Thanks for the answer.
The three level I consider are like in this video at 0:50 .
I guess that we can make a laser with any type of radiance (LASER with microwaves exists = MASER) I don't know if anyone has an opinion about that, is there any limitations about the incident light to produce a population inversion ?
 
DrClaude said:
Not sure about the microwave regime, though.
Actually, the Maser ("microwave amplification by stimulated emission of radiation") was the predecessor to the Laser.

In 1953, Charles Hard Townes and graduate students James P. Gordon and Herbert J. Zeiger produced the first microwave amplifier, a device operating on similar principles to the laser, but amplifying microwave radiation rather than infrared or visible radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser#History
 
No other opinion about that ?
 
dlgoff said:
Actually, the Maser ("microwave amplification by stimulated emission of radiation") was the predecessor to the
What I meant is that I don't know what is the current state of the art for masers, in particular concerning available range and tunability. In the optical region, basically any frequency is available, although not always with a high power.

hiltac said:
I don't know if anyone has an opinion about that, is there any limitations about the incident light to produce a population inversion ?
I'm not sure I understand what your question is. Could you rephrase it?
 
DrClaude said:
What I meant is that I don't know what is the current state of the art for masers, in particular concerning available range and tunability. In the optical region, basically any frequency is available, although not always with a high power.
Ah Okay. Should have know you knew the history. :redface:
 
@DrClaude
I mean if we can operate a population inversion (condition to make a laser) with visible light, IR, Micro wave, RX,... ? Or does limitations exists ?
If we observe a population inversion with a MASER (MW), the population inversion will be between 2 levels with a small difference of energy, but can we apply this reasoning with other frequency of light ?
 

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