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ISamson
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Hello,
I have been wondering if it is possible to create and store stable ions, is it?
Thanks.
I have been wondering if it is possible to create and store stable ions, is it?
Thanks.
Borek said:Define "create and store".
I have a bag of kitchen salt, it is made of ions, they are all stable. Not that I made it by myself, but need be, I know how to.
Ivan Samsonov said:By create I mean make or produce.
Ivan Samsonov said:like Na+ or Cl- independent of each other.
Borek said:Basic chemistry or basic physics. Process is called ionization.
So you want to separate them. Not trivial, but definitely doable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_trap
Do you know what coulomb forces are? Try to estimate force with which one mole of Na+ attracts one mole of Cl-, assuming they are separated by 1 meter distance. Compare this number with the force keeping Moon in the Earth orbit. Do you see a problem?
Borek said:Wall doesn't block electric field.
How you ever played with magnets? Do they attract each other through wood, paper? Charges are very similar.
Things get a bit more complicated when we try to separate charges with something conducting, but the attraction will be still there.
Ivan Samsonov said:F=k x q x Q/d2
Ivan Samsonov said:What is the difference between the source charge and the test charge from the website?
Should I measure the F in Newtons?
DrDu said:I just wanted to note that free ions are routinely stored and handled in particle accelerators and cyclotrons. This is also used analytically, e.g. in ion cyclotron resonance mass spectroscopy.
DrDu said:
Yes, it is possible to create and store stable ions in a controlled laboratory environment. This is typically done through techniques such as ionization, which involves adding or removing electrons from atoms to create charged ions.
The length of time that stable ions can be stored varies depending on the specific ion and storage conditions. In general, stable ions can be stored for days, weeks, or even longer without becoming unstable. However, some ions may have shorter storage times due to their inherent properties.
Several factors can affect the stability of ions, including the strength of the ion's ionic bond, the size of the ion, and the surrounding environmental conditions (such as temperature and pressure). Additionally, the presence of other ions or molecules in the surrounding solution can also impact the stability of ions.
Yes, it is possible for ions to be stabilized through chemical reactions. For example, some ions may form stable compounds with other ions or molecules, making them less likely to undergo spontaneous reactions and become unstable.
Yes, stable ions have many practical applications in various fields, including medicine, industry, and environmental science. For example, stable ions can be used in pharmaceuticals, batteries, and water treatment processes. They also play a crucial role in many biological processes and are essential for life.