Creating Electricity in survival situations

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The discussion revolves around methods for generating electricity in survival situations using limited resources. Participants explore various improvised techniques for creating power to charge devices like phones, bulbs, and radios when conventional power sources are unavailable.

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  • One participant suggests using a sea water/fruit acid/urine battery, requiring different metal strips, which could be sourced from tin cans or coins.
  • Another participant elaborates on the battery idea, noting the importance of surface area for generating sufficient current and the potential issues with hydrogen bubbles affecting performance.
  • There is a mention of using alkaline electrolytes for better performance and the possibility of using charcoal as an electrode.
  • A different approach is proposed involving a hand-crank generator made from a magnet and wire from tin cans.
  • Concerns are raised about the voltage requirements for charging devices, particularly the picky nature of cell phone charging protocols compared to older devices.
  • One participant points out the availability of commercially sold hand-crank radio/light combos for wilderness use.

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Participants express multiple competing views on methods for generating electricity, with no consensus on the best approach. Various ideas are presented, each with its own challenges and assumptions.

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Participants highlight limitations such as the need for specific materials and the challenges of achieving sufficient voltage and current for different devices.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring survival techniques, those interested in improvised electrical generation, and enthusiasts of wilderness survival strategies.

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I have a knife(and perhaps a utensil too? and also a plastic bottle?), I am in a biome of some lattitude and longitude. I have a phone/bulb/radio/whatever needs very little energy, but they're discharged. there's no plug anywhere, I am in the middle of nowhere. What contraption should i make to be able to get enough electrical energy to charge/power these devices and contact civilization?

Answers such as "impossibru" will be pretty much useless, answers such as "You could build XYZ, but you'll need ABC which you could find lying around/harvest, if you're lucky in location OMG." will be of help :) .
 
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You are not going to get much electrical power without having some very lucky finds in your wilderness .

One possibility to get just a trickle of power is a sea water/fruit acid/urine battery if you can find some strips of different metals .
 
Nidum said:
One possibility to get just a trickle of power is a sea water/fruit acid/urine battery if you can find some strips of different metals .
This is probably the best idea to try. It would require finding some tin cans. These are now made of zinc coated steel (well, zinc on the outside and sometimes some kind of plastic on the inside). If you scraped the zinc off of one electrode (it's very thin) you'd have your two different metals, zinc and steel. Alternately, you might have some coins in your pocket. The first trouble with this idea is that without a lot of surface area you would get hardly any amps. The zinc in a regular battery is pulverized maximizing the surface area. So, if you had some pennies in your pocket, you could scrape off the copper plating and pound the zinc interior into the largest piece of foil possible (using stones, I suppose). The second trouble is that you'd have no depolarizer, and you'd only get current for about a minute before hydrogen bubbles clogged the flow of current within the batteries themselves. That problem could be partially dealt with by physically agitating the electrodes to shake the bubbles off.

Alkaline electrolytes are better for zinc/steel batteries than acids, and you could make it fairly easily by starting a fire and mixing the ashes with water. Speaking of that, carbon should also work with zinc as an electrode, so if you could get some good charcoal from your fire, that might work.

In the absence of zinc, any aluminum foil or packaging you could find would also work.

I think both zinc/steel and zinc/carbon give 1.5 volts. As I said, your main problem will be very low amps. You'd have to make an authentic "battery" to power just about anything of use: a whole bunch of cells connected in parallel to get the amps you need, then some of those "batteries" connected in series to get the voltage needed.

Wire? I suppose you'd have to cut thin strips from one of your tin cans. You're going to need a lot of tin cans, so look for an old camp ground left by poachers or half-wild mountain men.
 
If you can find a magnet from trash or a natural magnet (lodestone), you could take that tin can wire and wind it for a coil-based hand-crank generator.
 
In addition to making enough energy, you need a voltage compatible with the "phone/bulb/radio/whatever"

I read on another PF thread recently that cell phone charging protocols are very picky and they refuse to charge unless they are followed closely.

You will probably find that old fashioned devices are less picky, but that they need more energy. A 1.5 v flashlight bulb might be the easiest.

Are you aware that numerous sources sell hand-crank radio/light combos for use in the wilderness?
 

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