Creation of Matter: Solving for Mass with E=mc^2

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The discussion revolves around the creation of matter from photons, specifically examining the conditions under which a photon can create a particle with a given mass using the equation E=mc². Participants explore the implications of energy and momentum conservation in this context, and whether one or two photons are necessary for the process.

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  • One participant calculates the energy required to create a particle of mass 16.10^-29 kg using E=mc² and finds a discrepancy in expected results.
  • Some participants suggest that two particles may be needed for the creation process, while others argue that two photons are necessary.
  • Momentum conservation is highlighted as a critical factor that must be considered in the creation of particles from photons.
  • There is confusion regarding whether a single photon can create a single particle, with some asserting that this would violate conservation laws.
  • Participants discuss the role of virtual photons in particle creation and whether they can account for the energy and momentum requirements.
  • One participant expresses doubt about the accuracy of their textbook, which states that one photon can create an electron-positron pair, leading to further debate about the correctness of this claim.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a single photon can create a particle. There are multiple competing views regarding the necessity of two photons versus one photon and the implications of momentum conservation. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing confusion about the underlying principles.

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There are limitations in the discussion, including assumptions about the nature of photons and particles, as well as the definitions of virtual versus real photons. Some participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which particle creation occurs, particularly in relation to conservation laws.

  • #31
Well, the correct way to explain it is as follows:

A photon hits a very massive particle like an atomic nucleus with mass ##m_A##. Let's assume that the photon energy is very small compared to the mass of the nucleus (I'm using natural units with ##\hbar=c=1## so that masses, energies and momenta all have the same units; the use of kg is very inconvenient in particle physics, so let's use electron volts or in this case MeV).

Now if the photon hits the nucleus under these circumstances the nucleus will almost get momentum transferred (consider a ball hitting a wall). Thus the energy-momentum balance for making an electron-positron pair at rest reads
$$E_{\gamma}=2 m_e,$$
and that's the minimum photon energy needed for this reaction.

A single photon cannot decay to an electron positron-pair in the vacuum, because this is forbidden by energy-momentum conservation. That's easy to see by considering the relativistic invariants of the corresponding kinematics. If this would happen, you'd have
$$p_{\gamma}=p_{e^-}+p_{e^+},$$
where the ##p_j## are the four-momenta of the particles. Squaring the equation in the sense of the Minkowski product you'd get
$$p_\gamma^2=0=(p_{e^-}+p_{e^+})^2=2 m_e^2 + p_{e^+} \cdot p_{e^-}.$$
Now
$$p_{e^+} \cdot p_{e^-}=E_{e^+} E_{e^-}-\vec{p}_{e^+} \cdot \vec{p}_{e^-}.$$
Since now ##E_{e^{+}}=\sqrt{\vec{p}_{e^+}^2+m_e^2} > E_{E^{+}}## you can never make the right-hand side vanish in contradiction to the result on the left-hand side.

For a process to occur you must conserve energy and momentum and obey the "on-shell conditions", ##p^2=m^2##, for all particles in the initial and the final state! That's not possible for a single photon in empty space, as just shown.
 
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Thank you for detailed explanation.
 

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