Who are my true friends in a fast-paced world?

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The thread explores the theme of friendship in a fast-paced world, expressed through poetry. Participants share their thoughts on the poem's content, structure, and style, while also engaging in a lighthearted exchange about poetry and poetic devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Warren shares a poem reflecting on the nature of friendship amidst societal distractions.
  • Some participants express admiration for Warren's poem, noting its emotional depth and imagery.
  • Hypnagogue offers constructive criticism regarding the poem's meter, suggesting improvements to maintain a consistent rhythm.
  • Warren acknowledges the feedback and expresses humility about his poetic abilities.
  • Zooby provides a detailed explanation of iambic pentameter, emphasizing its structure and rhythm, while also referencing Shakespeare's sonnets as examples.
  • Participants engage in a playful exchange about poetic terminology and the challenges of writing poetry.

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Participants generally appreciate the poem and offer constructive feedback, but there is no consensus on the poem's technical execution, as some focus on its emotional impact while others emphasize the importance of meter.

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Discussions about poetic structure and rhythm reveal varying levels of familiarity with poetic forms, and some participants express uncertainty about the application of technical terms.

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Readers interested in poetry, literary critique, and the interplay between emotional expression and technical structure in writing may find this discussion engaging.

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Friends

I stood among the businessmen
On their busy city street.
But they skewed their shoulders sideways,
Cringed, shoved past me,
And there I stood alone.

I kneeled among the pious few
Whose tears fell for God.
But my dry eyes betrayed me
In that brittle silence,
And there I kneeled alone.

The Sun is for the flower;
The rain for the tree.
The wind shepherds clouds,
The Moon shines not for me.

Yet my friends are many,
And my love is strong.
My friends were even with me
On that hustling city street,
And in that stiff cathedral pew.
But my friends, they mostly go unnoticed
By both the busy, and the pious, too.

No matter where my path may lead
My friends, they know the way.
They outpace the swiftest ship,
Always sooner make the quay.

My friends, they rise each evening
With earnest, shining faces.
They smile from every corner,
And never slip their places.

With one society I share
Every incandescent summer,
Yet survive the chill of winter
By protection of another.

My friends are to me
A simple bliss unrivaled.
Under these stars, my sentinels,
I need not be afraid,
Because in their gentle light
I find my every fear allayed.
 
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Very nice Warren... I didn't realize that you were a poet. Pretty impressive. :smile:

As we have a Poetry thread now, here is a Physics one:


It seems quite amazing to me
that each 'tick' and each 'tock'
of my Grandfather clock
takes 2\pi\sqrt{l/g}
 
Poetry review...

" So, you have a choice, either die in the vacuum of space, or ...tell me how good you thought my poem was" said the Vogon Chroot.

"Actually, I quite liked it" said Arthur quickly. " I thought that some of the metaphysical imagery was really particularly effective"

"Do continue" invited the Vogon.

" Oh.. er .. Interesting rhythmic devices too" continued Arthur "which seemed to counterpoint the .. er .. er.. counterpoint er.. the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of the ..er ..er... humanity of the Vogonity"

"Go on" said the Vogon

"... er.. which.. er.. contrives through the medium of the verse structure to sublimate this, transcend that, and come to terms with the ..er.. fundamental dichotomies of the other"

"..and ...er.. one is left with a profound and vivid insight into.. .er.. into.. er... into whatever it was the poem was about."


"Hmm" said the Vogon... "Death is to good for them"...
 
LOL!

Well, I wasn't necessarily looking so much for kind words as for ways to improve it. I certainly wouldn't call myself a "poet" -- maybe "a person who sometimes writes some clumsy poems."

But thanks for the kind words anyway. :)

- Warren
 
Nice poem, Warren. :smile: I assume it wasn't written for the folks down in Theory Development?

If you are looking for constructive criticism, I would recommend trying to pay more attention to your meter. You have a nice flowing iambic pentameter in some parts, but then you break away and it disrupts the rhythm of the poem. For instance:

The Sun is for the flower;
The rain for the tree.
The wind shepherds clouds,
The Moon shines not for me.

In the 1st and 4th lines you have a nice undulating rhythm of unaccented/accented syllables, but you lose this rhythm in the 2nd and 3rd lines. If you try something like the following I think you will see it reads more nicely:

The Sun is for the flower;
The raindrops for the tree.
The wind, it shepherds clouds;
The Moon shines not for me.
 
hypnagogue,

Thanks for the advice!

- Warren
 
Originally posted by hypnagogue You have a nice flowing iambic pentameter in some parts

Hypnagogue,

You are upsetting the muses. They have asked me to tell you what iambic pentameter means.

Here is what it means: a line of five iambic "feet".

An iambic foot is one unaccented syllable paired with an accented one. The unaccented one comes first: duh - DUH.

A line of iambic pentameter has this rhythm:

duh-DUH duh-DUH duh-DUH duh-DUH duh-DUH

Example with words:

My Mistress' eyes are nothing like the Sun.

And:

Like as, to make our appetites more keen,Remembering the "pent" in pentameter should keep you mindful of what the rhythm of iambic pentameter should be: five iambic feet.
Pick any Shakespeare Sonnet, memorize it, you'll never forget what iambic pentameter is, because every line in every Shakespeare Sonnet is iambic pentameter.

Zooby
 
By both the busy, and the pious, too.

There you go.

Anyways, yeah, I know what iambic pentameter is, I was just sloppy with my phrasing... nice catch.
 

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