Cross sections of bins and combination

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The discussion revolves around the combination of cross sections from two bins in a physics context. Participants explore whether it is logical to assume that the cross sections can be added and delve into the implications of luminosity and normalization related to bin widths.

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  • One participant proposes that combining two bins with cross sections \(\sigma_1\) and \(\sigma_2\) leads to a derived expression for the combined cross section \(\sigma_{1+2}\), questioning the rationality of the result.
  • Another participant suggests that the ratios \(N/\sigma\) should be equal, implying that simplification of expressions is possible under certain conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the normalization of cross sections to bin widths, with one participant expressing confusion about how this normalization would affect the addition of cross sections.
  • A participant clarifies that cross sections can be added directly, while cross sections per unit energy (e.g., per GeV) cannot be added in the same manner.
  • There is acknowledgment of the distinction between differential cross sections and total cross sections in the context of the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the addition of cross sections, particularly regarding normalization to bin widths and the implications of using different datasets. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the normalization of cross sections and the conditions under which the addition of cross sections is valid. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions and the context of the measurements involved.

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suppose you have 2 bins each with cross section \sigma_1, \sigma_2...
if you combine those bins, is it a logical assumption to say that the cross section will also be added?
I suppose from the equality of the luminosity one can get:
\frac{1}{2}[ N_1 / \sigma_1 + N_2 /\sigma_2] = N_{1+2}/ \sigma_{1+2}
Obviously N_{1+2} = N_1 + N_2 (the entries of the 2 bins is equal to the sum of the entries of each bin)
However by that I obtain:
\frac{N_1}{\sigma_1} + \frac{N_2}{\sigma_2} =2 \frac{N_1 + N_2}{\sigma_{1+2}}
\sigma_{1+2} = \frac{2 \sigma_1 \sigma_2 (N_1 + N_2)}{N_1 \sigma_2 + N_2 \sigma_1}

Isn't this result irrational?
 
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The two ratios N/σ should be the same, so you can simplify your expression.

If the cross sections in the bins are measured with different datasets, adding the numbers doesn't make sense, but adding cross sections still works. Just make sure they are not normalized to bin width.
 
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mfb said:
Just make sure they are not normalized to bin width.
Had some doubts with that too [in case the bin widths vary]... I wasn't going to take into account the widths...but generally speaking:
I don't understand how the cross section would come to get normalized to bin widths...You obtain it by integrating a histogram; so how would the bin width matter?
 
If your bin is from 20 to 30 GeV, and your cross section is 10 pb, then your cross-section is 1pb/GeV.
If your bin is from 20 to 30 GeV, and your cross section is given as 1pb/GeV, then your cross section is 10 pb
As easy as that. Cross sections can be added, cross sections per GeV cannot (directly).
 
obviously the one is the d \sigma /dx (in your example x=E) while the other is the \sigma. But OK I think I got what you wanted to pass.
 

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