CTC on FLRW cosmological models

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Discussion Overview

This thread discusses the existence of Closed Timelike Curves (CTC) in Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker (FLRW) cosmological models, focusing on their metrics and implications for cosmological models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that FLRW models do not contain CTCs, as cosmological time always increases along future-directed timelike curves.
  • Others mention examples of spacetimes that do have CTCs, such as the Kerr interior, Gödel universe, and Tipler cylinder, but question their plausibility as cosmological models.
  • It is noted that metrics used for modeling actual physical systems are globally hyperbolic and do not have CTCs, with references to Hawking & Ellis for further details.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the Kerr metric, particularly regarding the existence of CTCs near the ring singularity and the nature of the interior of rotating black holes.
  • There is a suggestion that the actual interior of a rotating black hole may not contain a Kerr inner horizon, but rather a different structure resembling Schwarzschild behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that FLRW models do not have CTCs and that metrics used for actual physical systems are globally hyperbolic. However, there is disagreement regarding the plausibility of the Kerr metric and the nature of its interior structure.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the assumptions regarding the nature of spacetimes and the implications of metrics used in cosmological modeling, particularly concerning the existence of CTCs.

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About the existence of CTC in FLRW models
The subject of this thread is about the existence of Closed Timelike Curves (CTC) in FLRW models. FLRW models have topology ##\mathbb R^4## or ##\mathbb S^3 \times \mathbb R##.

What about their metric? Do they have any CTC ?
 
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No. The cosmological time ##t## always increases along future-directed timelike curves.
 
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Orodruin said:
No. The cosmological time ##t## always increases along future-directed timelike curves.
Ah ok. Which are examples of spacetime metric that have CTC? Are they a reasonable cosmological model ?
 
Kerr interior. Gödel. Tipler cylinder. There are probably others. None of them that I'm aware of are plausible cosmological spacetimes.
 
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cianfa72 said:
Do they have any CTC ?
No metrics that are used for modeling actual physical systems have CTCs. All such metrics are globally hyperbolic, and a globally hyperbolic spacetime cannot have any CTCs. (Indeed, even spacetimes satisfying much weaker conditions cannot have any CTCs. The full gory details are in Hawking & Ellis.)
 
PeterDonis said:
No metrics that are used for modeling actual physical systems have CTCs.
Does that mean we don't regard the Kerr metric as plausible? Or just the bit near the ring singularity where CTCs exist?
 
Ibix said:
Does that mean we don't regard the Kerr metric as plausible? Or just the bit near the ring singularity where CTCs exist?
Yes, the CTCs in Kerr are only inside the inner horizon, and since the inner horizon is a Cauchy horizon, even if one has a spacetime that one knows to be Kerr everywhere outside the inner horizon, one cannot claim that it is Kerr inside the inner horizon. The general view among relativity physicists seems to be that the actual interior of a rotating black hole will not even contain a Kerr inner horizon, but will have some other structure that, causally speaking, looks more like Schwarzschild.
 
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