Cube tipping on horizontal surface

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The problem involves a cube of mass m and side 2a that tips over from a position held on one of its edges on a horizontal surface. The task is to find an expression for the angular velocity of the cube when it strikes the surface, considering two scenarios: one where the surface is rough enough to stop the edge from moving, and another where the edge can slide freely.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the torque exerted by the weight of the cube and the implications of using conservation of energy to relate potential energy loss to rotational kinetic energy. There is also a consideration of how to approach the case where the edge can slide freely, questioning the relationship between translational and rotational motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the axis of rotation and its implications for the motion of the cube. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the sliding case, with suggestions to consider both translational and rotational components of motion. No consensus has been reached, but various interpretations and approaches are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the assumptions regarding the axis of rotation and the effects of different types of motion on the cube's angular velocity. The problem constraints and the nature of the surfaces involved are also under consideration.

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Homework Statement



A cube of mass m and side 2a is held on one of its edges on a horizontal surface. It is released from this position and allowed to tip. Find an expression for the angular velocity of the cube as its face strikes the surface of the table in the following cases:

a) the surface is sufficiently rough to stop the edge from moving
b) the edge of the cube can slide freely on the table


Homework Equations



G = r x F
G = dJ/dt (G torque, J angular momentum)

I = 2/3 m a2 - moment of inertia for cube about its center of mass

I = 2/3 m a 2 + 2ma2 - moment of inertia for a cube about one of its edges (using the parallel axis theorem)

1/2 I w2 = rotational kinetic energy


The Attempt at a Solution



Okay. So, first I tried to work out the torque of the weight about the rotation axis on one of the cube's edges, which I determined to be mga tan θ in the direction of increasing θ, where θ is defined as the angle between the vertical and the line between the center of mass, and the edge about which the cube tips. The reaction force acts through this point, so it exerts no torque about this axis. I wasn't able to integrate the equation for torque to find angular momentum (as θ is a function of time) so I tried a conservation of energy approach, reasoning that the center of mass moved by (√2-1)a and equating the loss in gravitational potential energy to the rotational kinetic energy. This gave me an answer for the case where the motion is purely rotational (which I think is the first case), but I wasn't sure how to deal with the case when the block is sliding freely. Possibly a term should be added to compensate for the translational kinetic energy, but I can't find the relation between this and the angular velocity? Any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated
 
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Hello Looney,

At first I was a little surprised by your statement that in the first case "the motion is purely rotational", but I think you are correct there, because your rotation is around an edge and you take that into account.

So the hint for the other case jumped on me: where is the axis of rotation ?

(Not an expert, but intrigued by this 'simple' elegant problem!)
 
I'm guessing the axis of rotation is the one that passes through the center of mass, parallel to the surface? (There's only two that seem to make sense to me.)

Okay - so we have a combination of translational motion of the CM and rotational motion about the CM in the case where the edge of the block is free to slide, is that correct? So we need to take into account the velocity of the system's center of mass as well as the rotation about it? I can see how that would be possible (we can get it in terms of the angle of rotation, at least, defining a suitable origin...)
 
Again, at first I had a different idea: there's a gravitational force acting at the CM axis and a normal force at the supporting edge. So my axis was halfway, but that leads to nonsense (I don't think the CM can be moved sideways). Your approach looks a lot better. And indeed, CM dropping straight down imparts some kinetic energy. But due to lower moment of inertia the final answer might well come out the same. Or more. Or less :smile:.
Let me (and other listeners) know what you find!
 

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