Current Flux from Alpha and Beta Radiation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the current flux generated by alpha and beta radiation, specifically focusing on the behavior of alpha particles emitted from an Am-241 source in a smoke detector. Participants explore theoretical implications of particle emission in a vacuum and its effects on voltage and current generation, as well as the ionization processes in air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the emission rate of alpha particles from Am-241 and estimates the resulting current and voltage accumulation over time.
  • Another participant agrees that in a perfect vacuum, the alpha particles could theoretically cause the pellet to charge negatively, but notes that a perfect vacuum does not exist.
  • A different participant suggests that a circuit could be designed to utilize this radiation, referencing concepts from nuclear fission or fusion.
  • One participant points out that as the source becomes more negatively charged, the alpha particles experience a stronger force back towards the source, implying a limit to the charge accumulation.
  • Another participant mentions that alpha particles can ionize electrons from the pellet itself, which may affect the overall charge dynamics.
  • A participant expresses interest in calculating the number of ions formed per second by a radiation source in air, suggesting that this depends on the type and intensity of radiation as well as air pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the theoretical aspects of charge accumulation in a vacuum but express differing views on the practical implications and limitations of such a system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact behavior of alpha particles in real-world conditions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of a perfect vacuum, the dependence on various environmental factors, and the unresolved nature of the calculations regarding ion formation in air.

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In a smoke detector there is 1 muCi of Am-241. I'm assuming that means it emits (3.7x10^10)*(1x10^-6)=3.7x10^4 alpha particles per second. Each alpha particle has a charge of 2e, so it seems to me that this stream of particles leaving the Am-241 pellet would carry a current of (3.7x10^4)*2/(6.24x10^18)=11.85fA away from the pellet. Assuming the pellet has a capacitance of 2pF, it would acquire a negative voltage at a rate of 5.9mV/s.

So my question is, if you left such a pellet in a vacuum for an extended period of time would the stream of alpha particles leaving it cause the pellet to charge to a high negative voltage over time?

Thanks,
-Hunter
 
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Hunter235711 said:
So my question is, if you left such a pellet in a vacuum for an extended period of time would the stream of alpha particles leaving it cause the pellet to charge to a high negative voltage over time?
In a perfect vacuum: yes. There is no perfect vacuum, however.
 
Thanks! So in theory at least, you could have a circuit like this?
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Sure. You don't even need both, just let the radiation of one plate hit the other. This is mainly studied in the context of nuclear fission or fusion, see Direct energy conversion.
 
Hunter235711 said:
if you left such a pellet in a vacuum for an extended period of time would the stream of alpha particles leaving it cause the pellet to charge to a high negative voltage over time?

In a perfect vacuum, as the source becomes more negative, the alphas feel a stronger and stronger force back to the source, and eventually the system reaches a point where the alphas no longer escape. So even in the best possible case, there is a limit.
 
Alpha particles also ionize electrons from the pellet itself.
 
Interesting! Thanks for the input. Another question I have is if there is any way to calculate the approximate number of ions formed per second by a radiation source in air? I assume it only depends on the type of radiation, the intensity of radiation, and the pressure of the air.

From this I am interested in calculating the current produced in an ionization chamber for a given voltage across it.

-Hunter
 

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