Curvature of 3D Graph on Point w/ Directional Vector

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of curvature for a 3D graph represented by the function z(x,y), particularly focusing on how curvature can be defined and calculated at a specific point in a given direction determined by a directional vector. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to curvature in three dimensions.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the formula for curvature in 2D and inquires about a corresponding formula for 3D graphs, emphasizing the dependence on the direction of the curvature.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Gaussian curvature as a potential relevant measure for 2D surfaces in 3D space.
  • A participant clarifies that they are seeking normal curvature instead of Gaussian curvature and references a specific formula from an external source, expressing uncertainty about its application.
  • A later reply suggests a mathematical expression involving the gradient of z and a directional vector, indicating it may relate to the curvature in the specified direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the appropriate curvature measure for the 3D graph, with multiple competing views regarding the relevance of Gaussian versus normal curvature and the application of the proposed formulas.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to external sources for curvature formulas, indicating potential limitations in understanding or applying these concepts without further clarification. The specific mathematical steps and assumptions underlying the curvature calculations remain unresolved.

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Want to find curvature at a point on a 3d graph if the osculating circle is situated in a certain direction.
I know curvature (k) of a 2 dimensional graph y(x) is equal to y''/(1+(y')^2)^(3/2), were y' is the first derivative of y with respect to x, and y'' is the second derivative of y with respect to x.

Is there a formula for the curvature at a point on a 3 dimensional graph z(x,y)? The curvature will be dependent on which direction the curvature of the fitted osculating circle will face, so assume we care about the curvature going along the graph in the direction of the directional unit vector <a,b,c> where that unit vector is lying flat on the plane tangent to the graph at a point.
 
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Unfortunately no. Looking into this page more, I think what I'm looking for is normal curvature. I found a webpage with a formula:

http://wordpress.discretization.de/...ty-introduction-to-the-curvature-of-surfaces/

I'm not sure how to use it. Suppose I have a graph like z=sqrt(1-2*x^2-y^2) and had a unit vector at point (0,0,1) going in the direction <sqrt(2)/2,sqrt(2)/2,0>. Can I have a hand implementing the formula in the link? The formula is near the beginning of the article.
 
From your setting I see
\nabla z \cdot t
for
t=(1/\sqrt{2},1/\sqrt{2},0)
at x=0,y=0,z=1
may be a quantity you are looking for. It shows ratio of how high you climb on the surface for a horizontal direction t walk.
 

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