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I am on a mobile device and cannot open the attachment. Can you put it in LaTeX? If not I will look at it in a couple of days when I return.
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Two quick points:Anamitra said:Yes you have got the constants so well by keeping the norm constant. In fact I have just now tested the norm by using the relation:
norm=R^2[A(theta)^2 + sin(theta)^2 A(phi)^square]
For your equations[solutions] the norm happens to be constant.In fact I have said this in my previous thread -that the vector changes its orientation if the the norm is kept constant. But I chose a different relation between the constants.
The value of the two-dimensional vector A at anyone point along the curve (e.g. phi=0) provides the physical condition needed to determine the two constants of integration. There is no need to "predict the initial value of the derivatives". The invariance of the dot product falls out naturally from the definition of parallel transport and does not need to be added in by hand later, i.e. it is already in the equations that you correctly set up on the first page.Anamitra said:It is true that a relation between the constants is not sufficient--we need to have only two constants and not four.What physical condition did you use for that?We can assign arbitrary values to A(theta) and A(phi). But it is difficult to predict the initial value of the derivatives.Did you find the constants by the invariance of the dot product or you have you used some other physical condition?
DaleSpam said:Regarding your subsidiary point: Even if you find an example of a closed path that maps the vectors back onto themselves that still does not make the result of parallel transport independent of the path in general.
Anamitra said:So parallel transport does not give us a report of curvature for every instance!
Next issue: How do we calculate the time component of the velocity of light if it is to be treated as a four vector?
DaleSpam said:A local inertial frame is not unique. There are an infinite number of such frames. If you go on different chains of inertial states you may still wind up with different final inertial frames and different final vectors. A chain of locally inertial frames is not sufficient to establish uniqueness. The argument is not as strong as you seem to believe.
Not in general, no. If you cannot accept this then you need to do some homework problems from your favorite GR textbook. Wald's problems may not be of the "practical" sort that you need.Anamitra said:We may have an infinite number of inertial frames at each point and therefore we may have several such chains connecting a pair of initial and final point on the space time surface. For each such chain dA(mu)/d(xi)=0.For a "particular inertial frame" at the initial point we may choose several inertial paths connecting the initial point to the final point.We end up with the same tensor finally.
No, the equation for parallel transport remains the same in flat spacetime. Some coordinate systems in flat spacetime have non-zero Christoffel symbols as you point out, therefore you cannot simply drop them.Anamitra said:An Important Point
For flat space-time the equation for parallel transport is given by:
dA(mu)/dx(i)=0 as we move along the path[The christoffel tensors are equal to zero]
OK, then using the Schwarzschild metric (in units where c=1, G=1, and M=1/2):Anamitra said:Regarding #103: I have sufficient difficulty in accepting what DaleSpam has to say. I have no hesitation in working out any homework problem he suggests. I have done this before.Nevertheless I would like to clarify my stand on this issue once more.
A freely falling lift is an inertial frame in the gravitational field of the earth.Now we may assign different velocities to it without spoiling the inertial nature of the frame. This may be accepted in a general way. We consider two transformations from the same metric leading to the Minkowski matrix[1 -1 -1 -1] in a local way.From special relativity we know that they must be moving with uniform speed with respect to each other. Now we divide our path from A to B into small intervals (A ,A1),(A1,A2)...(A[n-1],B)
In each interval we choose a frame with the same velocity V. The intervals being very small we choose for every interval V=V+delta_V approximately.So we have several coordinate systems which are not in relative motion.We may view them as rectangular coordinate systems in consideration of the Minkowski matrix[1 -1-1-1]Then we move our vector through these intervals.It remains constant since dA(mu)/dx(i)=0 for each interval.The vector remains unchanged at the end point B. For any other path we repeat the same manoeuvre starting with the same velocity at A.
In case there is some mistake in my method it has to be pointed out in a specific way. Of course I am ready to work out any practice problem suggested.No harm in doing that.
If you the solve the equation in thread#112[ https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2865831&postcount=112] you get:DaleSpam said:[tex]\frac{dA^{\phi}}{d\theta}+A^{\phi}cot(\theta)=0[/tex]
Yes, as it should in spherical coordinates.Anamitra said:If you the solve the equation in thread#112[ https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2865831&postcount=112] you get:
A(phi)=c* Cosec (theta)
Now this blows up in the neighborhood of theta =0 or theta =pi.
Parallel transport is fine. It is just spherical coordinates where phi is undefined at the poles. This has nothing to do with parallel transport or curved spacetime, this is just "business as usual" in spherical coordinates. Your objections in both .pdf files are not about parallel transport, but spherical coordinates. I get the impression that you have not worked in spherical coordinates very much, or you would have seen this type of behavior previously.Anamitra said:A small change in theta produces a large change in A(phi)----that part is OK. But the value of A(phi) getting infinitely large at the poles[in the actual sense of its value] cannot be entertained.The concept of parallel transport is simply undefined at the poles.
What do you mean by "working well"? Do you mean that you finally understand parallel transport and how it is path dependent?Anamitra said:For the Swarzschild Sphere parallel transport is working well with the exclusion of the poles which admit themselves to multiple values for phi.
Anamitra said:Now let us look into the fact that an ordinary sphere is commonly used to illustrate the concept of parallel transport in the texts. You did the same thing the following thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2758350&postcount=25
If you write the three equations [for A(r),A(phi) and A(theta)] for a line of latitude and solve them you get functions like Sin(phi) and cos(phi) in the solutions which are periodic functions of 2pi .
So the vector returns to its original orientation in this case!