Cyclic permutation and operators

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of the Pauli spin matrices, specifically focusing on the commutation relations between the operators Sx, Sy, and Sz. Participants are exploring how to demonstrate that Sx and Sy do not commute and how to express the difference SxSy - SySx in terms of Sz, as well as the cyclic nature of these relations among the three operators.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the requirement to show that Sx and Sy do not commute and to evaluate the expression SxSy - SySx, suggesting it relates to cyclic permutation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the notation [Si, Sj] = SiSj - SjSi = 2i Sk indicates the cyclic nature of the relations among the operators, where (i,j,k) can represent (x,y,z), (y,z,x), or (z,x,y).
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding how to demonstrate the cyclic relation among the operators, indicating a need for further clarification.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the earlier points by editing the commutation relation to align with the Pauli spin matrices and seeks confirmation on the helpfulness of their explanation.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of the Pauli spin matrices, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific steps needed to demonstrate the cyclic nature of the relations among the operators.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the properties of the Pauli matrices and the specific mathematical steps required to demonstrate the commutation relations are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi there

I am working through the problems in R.I.G. Hughes book the structure and interpretation of quantum mechanics and have hit a wall in the last part of the following question:

Show that Sx and Sy do not commute, and evaluate SxSy-SySx. Express this difference in terms of Sz, and show that this relation holds cyclically among the three operators.

I guess it has something to do with cyclic permutation. Any way thanks for your time and if you know where I can find the answers to the problems in this book that would help me later I suppose.

S_{}x= 1/2 \left(0 1
10\right) S_{}y= 1/2 \left(0 -i
i 0\right) S_{}z= 1/2 \left(1 0
0 -1\right)
 
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They are just referring to the short hand notation: [Si,Sj] = SiSj - SjSi = 2i Sk where (i,j,k) can be (x,y,z) or (y,z,x) or (z,x,y), hence the phrase "this relation holds cyclically among the three operators".

S represent the pauli spin matrices.
 
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My confusion is with the section in bold type and how exactly to show the relation holding cyclically among the operators. What I was trying to depict below was the Pauli spin matrices.
 
By "show that this relation holds cyclically among the three operators" they mean what I have written in my earlier post. I edited the commutation relation (in boldface) to comply with Pauli spin matrices. Made a few other changes to explain it better. Is that helpful?
 
Yes thanks a lot, I appreciate your help.
 

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