Dark Energy: Does It Affect All Space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature and influence of dark energy, specifically whether it affects all space or is limited to larger scales such as between galaxies. Participants explore its relationship with gravity, dark matter, and the implications for smaller systems like the solar system and atomic structures.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that dark energy only manifests on scales between galaxy clusters due to gravitational binding in smaller systems.
  • Others argue that dark energy is present everywhere in space-time but becomes effective only at large scales where gravitational forces are weaker.
  • A participant suggests that dark energy could be perceived as a force that keeps matter together, questioning if it could act similarly to gravity.
  • Another participant clarifies that dark energy acts on the space itself rather than directly on particles, emphasizing that it does not "crush" matter but rather influences the expansion of space.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between dark energy and dark matter, with some suggesting they could be connected, while others assert they are fundamentally different entities.
  • Concerns are raised about the understanding of dark energy and its effects, particularly in relation to gravity and atomic structures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of dark energy, its effects, and its relationship with gravity and dark matter. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of current understanding regarding dark energy and dark matter, noting that both concepts are still not fully understood and are difficult to detect.

  • #31
Drakkith said:
Every point everywhere, including inside the Earth would be expanding.

And who says it hasn't played a role in the universe? It is responsible for the accelerating expansion, I'd say that's quite a big role, even if it might not have played a big role in the early universe.

If every point, including inside the earth, were expanding, would the Earth be expanding as well? I'm assuming that due to the presence of gravity, etc, that we would not be able to measure this, but if the "fabric with the grid we're all drawn on" is expanding, that should include everything.

If the graph paper we are using for the analogy is drawn onto spacetime fabric, that has grids that are governed by local gravitational forces for example, as opposed to a logarithmic or linear rule, etc - Then the grid is influenced by all of the involved factors...but perhaps approaching zero impact for the Earth itself.

So, the impression I have is that the effect is universal, but the scale of the impact is highly variable.
 
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  • #32
Tea Jay said:
If every point, including inside the earth, were expanding, would the Earth be expanding as well? I'm assuming that due to the presence of gravity, etc, that we would not be able to measure this, but if the "fabric with the grid we're all drawn on" is expanding, that should include everything.

No, as gravity is pulling everything together. Think of it as a massive force pulling everything into itself, and a much smaller force pushing outwards. The massive pulling force wins out. It might be 0.000000001% weaker, but it still overwhelmingly dominates.

Edit: Also, let's be clear. Are you asking about the Earth EXPANDING, or simply being slightly larger than it is without expansion but a static size?
 
  • #33
Tea Jay said:
If every point, including inside the earth, were expanding, would the Earth be expanding as well? I'm assuming that due to the presence of gravity, etc, that we would not be able to measure this, but if the "fabric with the grid we're all drawn on" is expanding, that should include everything.

If the graph paper we are using for the analogy is drawn onto spacetime fabric, that has grids that are governed by local gravitational forces for example, as opposed to a logarithmic or linear rule, etc - Then the grid is influenced by all of the involved factors...but perhaps approaching zero impact for the Earth itself.

So, the impression I have is that the effect is universal, but the scale of the impact is highly variable.
Everything except matter expands!
 

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